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Thank you all for the feedback. Full disclosure I just had a bolt-in roll bar and harnesses installed by a shop I thought could be trusted. They charged me $2900 plus tax (17.5 hours) just for the labor. $1500 for PPF on the carbon seats, and additional shipping and shop charges. Total bill is over $11K.
Seems like an extreme overcharge, and they are simply trying to take advantage of me while I’ve been out of town.
*Appropriate labor consensus i've found by reputable shops seems to be about 3-6 hours for the bolt-in roll bar and about 1-3 hours for harnesses.
This is absurd. Either the shop was incompetent and charged you for their guys to basically "learn on the job" or they are taking advantage of you. Either way not a place I would trust to work on my car.
Glad i'm not the only one that thinks so. Same company they sublet it to does the entire front end of a vehicle for about $2000.
Yeah the cost of film for two carbon seats is probably less than $150 depending which brand you go with and they most likely had to do a bulk install and trim. It should have been a $300-500 install at most since the seats were already going to be out of the car.
Currently in the middle of a BBI install. I am taking my time as this is a first for me. The question is if the shop has experience. If they are an expert I would think 2 people could knock it out in 8 hours. The biggest challenge is the cutting and final fitting of the carpet pieces. I can say this is a huge challenge for my OCD!
The back rear carpet section just needs two "slices" of about 3 inches each (or it can be purchased form Porsche) and I learned during my install (at least for the RS cars) that the front rear carpet section is already precut for the CS bar but to get an exact circular seal around the bar you will have to make very small trims. To me the biggest PIA (assuming the 'how to bolt the front legs down challenge?" has been solved) was trimming the rear interior quarter panels to clear the bar and wrapping the leather underneath, which is what the factory does (My GT2 has the full leather/alcantara interior) then regluing and reinstalling said quarter panels. Also re: BBI, be careful as they are known to scrape the back of the CF LWBS. My Porsche OEM Ti bar has plenty of clearance. Edit: Just saw your pic, yeah I could not live with that install, you can see bare metal in between the carpet and front legs. Mine looks completely factory, because I followed the factory processes just like they do on the factory floor and used factory parts.
Thank you all for the feedback. Full disclosure I just had a bolt-in roll bar and harnesses installed by a shop I thought could be trusted. They charged me $2900 plus tax (17.5 hours) just for the labor. $1500 for PPF on the carbon seats, and additional shipping and shop charges. Total bill is over $11K.
Seems like an extreme overcharge, and they are simply trying to take advantage of me while I’ve been out of town.
*Appropriate labor consensus i've found by reputable shops seems to be about 3-6 hours for the bolt-in roll bar and about 1-3 hours for harnesses.
Just curious why you wanted to PPF the back of your CF LWB seats??? Are they assuming the bar is going to scrape the seats? If that is the case that would be a non starter for me. Also just my 2 cents but if you are after a showroom OEM Clubsport look, I don't care how good you are, you ain't getting that done in 3 to 6 hours...those kind of low side numbers indicate a different level of installation quality then I was willing to accept. Which after I paid ~$11K just for my RB I decided I could do a better job then anybody else with the install and get the quality I required.
Yes, it weighs 11 lbs... p.s. yes you read that right...eleven pounds
11lbs is very light..............you might want to look at the specs (tensile and compressive strength) and ratings (what it complies with).
Below is the Porsche full cage (FIA compliant) ~ 100lbs, this is largely chrome moly and steel - I think the rear was 17kg ~ 35lbs Weight with all fixtures and fittings is 50kg Tubing is of the following dimensions 50mmx2mm, 45mmx2mm, and 40mmx2mm. Tubing materials include 1.7218/25CrMo4 and 1.7734.5/15CDV6 Tensile strengths are as follows for the CrMo 700 to 850 mpa and for the 15CDV6 980 to 1180 mpa
11lbs is very light..............you might want to look at the specs (tensile and compressive strength) and ratings (what it complies with).
Below is the Porsche full cage (FIA compliant) ~ 100lbs, this is largely chrome moly and steel - I think the rear was 17kg ~ 35lbs Weight with all fixtures and fittings is 50kg Tubing is of the following dimensions 50mmx2mm, 45mmx2mm, and 40mmx2mm. Tubing materials include 1.7218/25CrMo4 and 1.7734.5/15CDV6 Tensile strengths are as follows for the CrMo 700 to 850 mpa and for the 15CDV6 980 to 1180 mpa
It is not FIA compliant but it is OEM factory Porsche and they came in all the Euro spec WP cars including the three that set the Ring record. Yes Ti is very light with both very good tensile strength and compressive qualities which is why it is used extensively in U.S. military F planes along with F1 cars. I have been down this thread with other people...I am a retired grad degreed Aerospace/Computer PE for a large American defense contractor, the roll bar is a factory Porsche part that has been installed in hundreds of GT2's all over the globe and subjected to OEM level testing and certification. I did the install myself. I am entirely satisfied that my bar is both functional and very light
I was recently charged 18 hours labor for a GMG bar install in my 991.2 GT3 which included installing 1 6-point harness.
Originally Posted by KAZ911
Thank you all for the feedback. Full disclosure I just had a bolt-in roll bar and harnesses installed by a shop I thought could be trusted. They charged me $2900 plus tax (17.5 hours) just for the labor. $1500 for PPF on the carbon seats, and additional shipping and shop charges. Total bill is over $11K.
Seems like an extreme overcharge, and they are simply trying to take advantage of me while I’ve been out of town.
*Appropriate labor consensus i've found by reputable shops seems to be about 3-6 hours for the bolt-in roll bar and about 1-3 hours for harnesses.
It is not FIA compliant but it is OEM factory Porsche and they came in all the Euro spec WP cars including the three that set the Ring record. Yes Ti is very light with both very good tensile strength and compressive qualities which is why it is used extensively in U.S. military F planes along with F1 cars. I have been down this thread with other people...I am a retired grad degreed Aerospace/Computer PE for a large American defense contractor, the roll bar is a factory Porsche part that has been installed in hundreds of GT2's all over the globe and subjected to OEM level testing and certification. I did the install myself. I am entirely satisfied that my bar is both functional and very light
Sorry but you are not correct - my Porsche fitted full cage is FIA compliant and has the official log book approvals and documentation to go with it (the specs I quoted are directly from the documentation, certified to national level in a number of categories - as you can see its the CrMo and steel version not the Ti version).
If you have the Ti roll/harness bar then you are correct, that is not FIA compliant. There are huge problems with using Ti cages due to issues associated with welding and forming. Yes, you can get Ti cages - however high level motorsport compliant cages (inc. weld testing) are very, very expensive.
The reality is the Porsche Ti rear cage is a bit of a fashion accessory - or harness bar (and a nice one at that) - but for those using .2RS/.2GT3RS for motorsport the full factory CrMo cage is the recommended goto. Obviously, if its a pure street car none of this matters.
I was recently charged 18 hours labor for a GMG bar install in my 991.2 GT3 which included installing 1 6-point harness.
Spinout, who did the install as we don't charge 18 hours for a bar and harnesses?
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GoldCrest Motorsports in Atlanta installed my 311RS bar for $780 (6 Hours). Add $10.50 for some miscellaneous hardware and harness seat plates for $199. I supplied the bar and the harnesses to them. We did not cut the passenger seat as I did not care to have this done as I don't take passengers for rides that often and the Schroth 4pt is okay for when I do.
Originally Posted by KAZ911
Thank you all for the feedback. Full disclosure I just had a bolt-in roll bar and harnesses installed by a shop I thought could be trusted. They charged me $2900 plus tax (17.5 hours) just for the labor. $1500 for PPF on the carbon seats, and additional shipping and shop charges. Total bill is over $11K.
Seems like an extreme overcharge, and they are simply trying to take advantage of me while I’ve been out of town.
*Appropriate labor consensus i've found by reputable shops seems to be about 3-6 hours for the bolt-in roll bar and about 1-3 hours for harnesses.
GoldCrest Motorsports in Atlanta installed my 311RS bar for $780 (6 Hours). Add $10.50 for some miscellaneous hardware and harness seat plates for $199. I supplied the bar and the harnesses to them. We did not cut the passenger seat as I did not care to have this done as I don't take passengers for rides that often and the Schroth 4pt is okay for when I do.
Yes, the guys at Goldcrest are very talented technicians as they have installed dozens of GMG Harness Bars over the years.......6 hours sounds about right.