‘18 GT3 (manual) -> ‘18 488 GTB ???
#16
I have had a 488 for 5 years, a 458, an F430, a 360. The 488 is the easiest car to drive fast I have ever driven. You can buy a warranty from ferrari for 12 years. The maintenance is included for 7 years. A 911 is a great car but IMO isn't as much fun as the 488. I own a 2RS which is more fun but a bunch more money. I also have a .2 GT3 a great car but not close to is much fun. YMMV.
#18
Like everyone here, I love Porsches- since having a 944 poster on my bedroom wall in junior high- and have had the good fortune to own several non RS models since 2005. Really enjoy my chalk ‘18 GT3 6-spd but have an itch to own an F-car. Have recently driven a 458, 458 Speciale, and 488 GTB- all sensational from the iconic looks to interior design to engine / suspension / sound; only (minor) criticism may be steering feel. Would like to keep it for several yrs, maybe long term- street driving 2-3K miles/yr (no track), summers only. Cost of entry = GT3 + 100K.
For those of you with F-car ownership experience- what do you think? If you could only have one ie GT3 vs 458/488 what would you choose? And how is recent Ferrari reliability? (Im looking at certified ‘18 488’s).
DD will remain the Cayenne GTS…may get a GT4 to keep a manual car in the stable if going the F-car route.
For those of you with F-car ownership experience- what do you think? If you could only have one ie GT3 vs 458/488 what would you choose? And how is recent Ferrari reliability? (Im looking at certified ‘18 488’s).
DD will remain the Cayenne GTS…may get a GT4 to keep a manual car in the stable if going the F-car route.
I had a 458 Italia and 488 GTB from the ones you mentioned. They are different enough that it really depends on what you’re looking for. Either one, be prepared for lots of attention. I had no issues with mine and I think new Ferraris are solid (like all cars, there are some known issues and risks, parts & labor can be expensive).
The GT3 engine scream is amazing but I have to say the 458 is even more intense! 488, while turbocharged, has an engine that’s as responsive as it gets given current technology. The “bumpy road” setting makes the ride great for regular street driving. Ferrari is also one of the best at making you feel like it’s the most special experience when you go for a drive.
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Fang911 (06-15-2021)
#20
I drove the new Portofino M last week. Local Ferrari dealer had a demo day. It has a twin-turbo V-8 with 612 HP with an 8-speed dual-clutch transmission. It sounds absolutely awesome and drives like a dream. Zero turbo lag. Thinking about ordering one...
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#25
Thanks for the insights. I've had the opportunity to street drive / track a friend's Speciale, which is a sensational car and pretty much ruined anything else for me at time- had most of the positives of the 997/991 GT3 but none of the harshness. Last summer I drove a '17 488 at my local dealer and second other's statements here about it being superior to the 458 in almost every way, except perhaps exterior aesthetics. The 991.2 GT3 remains more of a scalpel than the F-cars making it a great track instrument but not quite as enjoyable on the street where driving it can feel like "work". Perhaps I'm getting softer with age (50, ugh) but whereas I used to seek the maximum degree of driving interaction (ie heavy clutch, stiff manual, harsh suspension, minimal steering assist, high-rev powerband of the 996/997 GT3, slightly less so on the 991 GT3), I'm now looking for a somewhat different experience and my time with the Speciale / 488 seems to check all the boxes. My primary concerns are cost of entry (and depreciation to some degree) + reliability / maintenance. The ability to extend the CPO > 10 yrs is very attractive and limits nasty repair expenses (buddy's Speciale fuel pumps failed 3 months out of warranty and cost > $20K + weeks to replace).
A somewhat less important consideration...the wife will absolutely not be happy about another car switch. Not happy at all = trip to Tiffany to smooth things over
A somewhat less important consideration...the wife will absolutely not be happy about another car switch. Not happy at all = trip to Tiffany to smooth things over
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mjj (06-15-2021)
#26
Thanks for the insights. I've had the opportunity to street drive / track a friend's Speciale, which is a sensational car and pretty much ruined anything else for me at time- had most of the positives of the 997/991 GT3 but none of the harshness. Last summer I drove a '17 488 at my local dealer and second other's statements here about it being superior to the 458 in almost every way, except perhaps exterior aesthetics. The 991.2 GT3 remains more of a scalpel than the F-cars making it a great track instrument but not quite as enjoyable on the street where driving it can feel like "work". Perhaps I'm getting softer with age (50, ugh) but whereas I used to seek the maximum degree of driving interaction (ie heavy clutch, stiff manual, harsh suspension, minimal steering assist, high-rev powerband of the 996/997 GT3, slightly less so on the 991 GT3), I'm now looking for a somewhat different experience and my time with the Speciale / 488 seems to check all the boxes. My primary concerns are cost of entry (and depreciation to some degree) + reliability / maintenance. The ability to extend the CPO > 10 yrs is very attractive and limits nasty repair expenses (buddy's Speciale fuel pumps failed 3 months out of warranty and cost > $20K + weeks to replace).
A somewhat less important consideration...the wife will absolutely not be happy about another car switch. Not happy at all = trip to Tiffany to smooth things over
A somewhat less important consideration...the wife will absolutely not be happy about another car switch. Not happy at all = trip to Tiffany to smooth things over
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Fang911 (06-15-2021)
#27
I would run, not walk, to a Ferrari dealership if faced with this conundrum. At my gym there is always a collections of Macs, AMGs, P-cars, Lotus, and the odd Huracan but when the dude with the silver 488 GTB pulls into the parking lot those other cars disappear. In all my years of reading about reviews of this car I've never come across one that is negative or heard a single indicator of buyer's remorse. Sorry, I know I am just the peanut gallery here but WHAT A BEAUTIFUL CAR, and yes they sound good, turbo or not.
#28
Haha, thats pretty funny…I try to stay away from dealerships to avoid impulsive acquisitons…unfortunately live 3 miles from Napleton Porsche and walking distance from Continental Ferrari so am forced to check out their inventory 2-3 times day driving to and from work.
Perhaps adding an earlier ‘’12-13 458 to the GT3 would be better / less risky than trading in the GT3 for a 488 / F8…
Perhaps adding an earlier ‘’12-13 458 to the GT3 would be better / less risky than trading in the GT3 for a 488 / F8…
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#29
Haha, thats pretty funny…I try to stay away from dealerships to avoid impulsive acquisitons…unfortunately live 3 miles from Napleton Porsche and walking distance from Continental Ferrari so am forced to check out their inventory 2-3 times day driving to and from work.
Perhaps adding an earlier ‘’12-13 458 to the GT3 would be better / less risky than trading in the GT3 for a 488 / F8…
Perhaps adding an earlier ‘’12-13 458 to the GT3 would be better / less risky than trading in the GT3 for a 488 / F8…
That's just me, of course.
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mjj (06-15-2021)
#30
GT3 manual over the 488 any day, now if you are comparing a 458 Speciale to a manual GT3 that would be a harder choice.
If you want to buy a Ferrari dont get the 488, in my opinion not a pretty design or performance, go 458 Speciale or 488 Pista or F8 Spider. I personally picked up a 430 Scuderia which is as raw as they get.
If you want to buy a Ferrari dont get the 488, in my opinion not a pretty design or performance, go 458 Speciale or 488 Pista or F8 Spider. I personally picked up a 430 Scuderia which is as raw as they get.
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