Will this make anyone think twice about putting a deposit on a new GT car?
08-26-2019, 10:19 AM
#31
As I get older having the highest horsepower car means little to nothing....every year they get more powerful....I want the sound and the handling and the looks....going 0-60 in under 3 seconds or 3.5 seconds doesn't matter....
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08-26-2019, 10:29 AM
#32
Cant take the punishment? Value?
Some of you are delusional. Thats the word.
How many of the gen 1 gt3 cars have gone through at least 1 engine? There are cars on their 4th engine here.
There are gen2 cars popping up with engine failures (different reasons, but still).
The mighty mezger engine. Right. Lets see... you have to do the coolant lines ($3000-4000). You have to rebuild the diff because the rear steps out under heavy breaking ($3000-5000). The clutch doesnt last more than 20k miles, even less if its an RS. Brake pads need changing every 10k miles.
You want to hear my experience driving, ahem daily driving, my shelby gt350. 49,000 miles as of today. Multiple, numerous 8250 rpm shifts. Do you know what I had to change in that car besides oil in almost 50,000 miles? Hmmm cabin air filter ($20). Fuel filter ($29). And thats about it.... Do you know how many times it went to a dealer in its entire life time? Total? 2 (TWO). Yes not a typo. And both times it was my fault but Ford covered it. Try that in your “GT” car and let me know how it works. Most of you wont drive these cars more than 50 miles a month so, I guess you’ll never let me know.
Have you actually owned these GT cars past 10k miles? Do you know the annual service required for these cars - simply daily driving it, going WOT occasionally? Minimum 2-3 oil changes, spark plugs and sometimes coils, transmission fluid. Thats $5,000 worth of annual service per year. And thats if you make it there without engine blowing up or cats failing or exhaust valves going bad.
come on... give me a break.
The pushrod 6.2 liter can go and go and go and go for tens of thousands of miles. They are bullet proof. You change your oil once every 6000-7000 miles (and thats 9 quart of cheap $10 oil) and you are done. No service necessary elsewhere for 6-7 maybe 8 years assuming car sees 6000-7000 miles/year.
Have you heard a ZR1 at WOT on 1-2-3 gears? I strongly recommend you do. I have driven all of these cars. ZR1 is GT2RS levels performance but without the problems of turbo (lag, lack of noise, muted character).
Quality? The fact that you quote interior quality so many times to me show you and I have completely different expectations from a car. Because the way i drive my car, there is simply no TIME to even briefly look at the inside. There is no WAY to even hear the interior rattles. Some of you are clearly here because you cant afford a F car, so you want poor man’s Ferrari driving a 911 GT car. But I doubt you will drive your car like you stole it in real life.
Some of you are delusional. Thats the word.
How many of the gen 1 gt3 cars have gone through at least 1 engine? There are cars on their 4th engine here.
There are gen2 cars popping up with engine failures (different reasons, but still).
The mighty mezger engine. Right. Lets see... you have to do the coolant lines ($3000-4000). You have to rebuild the diff because the rear steps out under heavy breaking ($3000-5000). The clutch doesnt last more than 20k miles, even less if its an RS. Brake pads need changing every 10k miles.
You want to hear my experience driving, ahem daily driving, my shelby gt350. 49,000 miles as of today. Multiple, numerous 8250 rpm shifts. Do you know what I had to change in that car besides oil in almost 50,000 miles? Hmmm cabin air filter ($20). Fuel filter ($29). And thats about it.... Do you know how many times it went to a dealer in its entire life time? Total? 2 (TWO). Yes not a typo. And both times it was my fault but Ford covered it. Try that in your “GT” car and let me know how it works. Most of you wont drive these cars more than 50 miles a month so, I guess you’ll never let me know.
Have you actually owned these GT cars past 10k miles? Do you know the annual service required for these cars - simply daily driving it, going WOT occasionally? Minimum 2-3 oil changes, spark plugs and sometimes coils, transmission fluid. Thats $5,000 worth of annual service per year. And thats if you make it there without engine blowing up or cats failing or exhaust valves going bad.
come on... give me a break.
The pushrod 6.2 liter can go and go and go and go for tens of thousands of miles. They are bullet proof. You change your oil once every 6000-7000 miles (and thats 9 quart of cheap $10 oil) and you are done. No service necessary elsewhere for 6-7 maybe 8 years assuming car sees 6000-7000 miles/year.
Have you heard a ZR1 at WOT on 1-2-3 gears? I strongly recommend you do. I have driven all of these cars. ZR1 is GT2RS levels performance but without the problems of turbo (lag, lack of noise, muted character).
Quality? The fact that you quote interior quality so many times to me show you and I have completely different expectations from a car. Because the way i drive my car, there is simply no TIME to even briefly look at the inside. There is no WAY to even hear the interior rattles. Some of you are clearly here because you cant afford a F car, so you want poor man’s Ferrari driving a 911 GT car. But I doubt you will drive your car like you stole it in real life.
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08-26-2019, 10:29 AM
#33
Cant take the punishment? Value?
Some of you are delusional. Thats the word.
How many of the gen 1 gt3 cars have gone through at least 1 engine? There are cars on their 4th engine here.
There are gen2 cars popping up with engine failures (different reasons, but still).
The mighty mezger engine. Right. Lets see... you have to do the coolant lines ($3000-4000). You have to rebuild the diff because the rear steps out under heavy breaking ($3000-5000). The clutch doesnt last more than 20k miles, even less if its an RS. Brake pads need changing every 10k miles.
You want to hear my experience driving, ahem daily driving, my shelby gt350. 49,000 miles as of today. Multiple, numerous 8250 rpm shifts. Do you know what I had to change in that car besides oil in almost 50,000 miles? Hmmm cabin air filter ($20). Fuel filter ($29). And thats about it.... Do you know how many times it went to a dealer in its entire life time? Total? 2 (TWO). Yes not a typo. And both times it was my fault but Ford covered it. Try that in your “GT” car and let me know how it works. Most of you wont drive these cars more than 50 miles a month so, I guess you’ll never let me know.
Have you actually owned these GT cars past 10k miles? Do you know the annual service required for these cars - simply daily driving it, going WOT occasionally? Minimum 2-3 oil changes, spark plugs and sometimes coils, transmission fluid. Thats $5,000 worth of annual service per year. And thats if you make it there without engine blowing up or cats failing or exhaust valves going bad.
come on... give me a break.
The pushrod 6.2 liter can go and go and go and go for tens of thousands of miles. They are bullet proof. You change your oil once every 6000-7000 miles (and thats 9 quart of cheap $10 oil) and you are done. No service necessary elsewhere for 6-7 maybe 8 years assuming car sees 6000-7000 miles/year.
Have you heard a ZR1 at WOT on 1-2-3 gears? I strongly recommend you do. I have driven all of these cars. ZR1 is GT2RS levels performance but without the problems of turbo (lag, lack of noise, muted character).
Quality? The fact that you quote interior quality so many times to me show you and I have completely different expectations from a car. Because the way i drive my car, there is simply no TIME to even briefly look at the inside. There is no WAY to even hear the interior rattles. Some of you are clearly here because you cant afford a F car, so you want poor man’s Ferrari driving a 911 GT car. But I doubt you will drive your car like you stole it in real life.
Some of you are delusional. Thats the word.
How many of the gen 1 gt3 cars have gone through at least 1 engine? There are cars on their 4th engine here.
There are gen2 cars popping up with engine failures (different reasons, but still).
The mighty mezger engine. Right. Lets see... you have to do the coolant lines ($3000-4000). You have to rebuild the diff because the rear steps out under heavy breaking ($3000-5000). The clutch doesnt last more than 20k miles, even less if its an RS. Brake pads need changing every 10k miles.
You want to hear my experience driving, ahem daily driving, my shelby gt350. 49,000 miles as of today. Multiple, numerous 8250 rpm shifts. Do you know what I had to change in that car besides oil in almost 50,000 miles? Hmmm cabin air filter ($20). Fuel filter ($29). And thats about it.... Do you know how many times it went to a dealer in its entire life time? Total? 2 (TWO). Yes not a typo. And both times it was my fault but Ford covered it. Try that in your “GT” car and let me know how it works. Most of you wont drive these cars more than 50 miles a month so, I guess you’ll never let me know.
Have you actually owned these GT cars past 10k miles? Do you know the annual service required for these cars - simply daily driving it, going WOT occasionally? Minimum 2-3 oil changes, spark plugs and sometimes coils, transmission fluid. Thats $5,000 worth of annual service per year. And thats if you make it there without engine blowing up or cats failing or exhaust valves going bad.
come on... give me a break.
The pushrod 6.2 liter can go and go and go and go for tens of thousands of miles. They are bullet proof. You change your oil once every 6000-7000 miles (and thats 9 quart of cheap $10 oil) and you are done. No service necessary elsewhere for 6-7 maybe 8 years assuming car sees 6000-7000 miles/year.
Have you heard a ZR1 at WOT on 1-2-3 gears? I strongly recommend you do. I have driven all of these cars. ZR1 is GT2RS levels performance but without the problems of turbo (lag, lack of noise, muted character).
Quality? The fact that you quote interior quality so many times to me show you and I have completely different expectations from a car. Because the way i drive my car, there is simply no TIME to even briefly look at the inside. There is no WAY to even hear the interior rattles. Some of you are clearly here because you cant afford a F car, so you want poor man’s Ferrari driving a 911 GT car. But I doubt you will drive your car like you stole it in real life.
Again. Great post.
08-26-2019, 10:49 AM
#34
Race Director
08-26-2019, 10:54 AM
#35
Just watched Lightning Lap on Youtube. I can hear it. Tranny seems improved, but never liked the sound of an american V8, unless it’s the Le Mans Corvette race car, and no supercharger in that car.
A GT3 RS sounds so much better:
A GT3 RS sounds so much better:
08-26-2019, 10:56 AM
#36
Cant take the punishment? Value?
Some of you are delusional. Thats the word.
How many of the gen 1 gt3 cars have gone through at least 1 engine? There are cars on their 4th engine here.
There are gen2 cars popping up with engine failures (different reasons, but still).
The mighty mezger engine. Right. Lets see... you have to do the coolant lines ($3000-4000). You have to rebuild the diff because the rear steps out under heavy breaking ($3000-5000). The clutch doesnt last more than 20k miles, even less if its an RS. Brake pads need changing every 10k miles.
You want to hear my experience driving, ahem daily driving, my shelby gt350. 49,000 miles as of today. Multiple, numerous 8250 rpm shifts. Do you know what I had to change in that car besides oil in almost 50,000 miles? Hmmm cabin air filter ($20). Fuel filter ($29). And thats about it.... Do you know how many times it went to a dealer in its entire life time? Total? 2 (TWO). Yes not a typo. And both times it was my fault but Ford covered it. Try that in your “GT” car and let me know how it works. Most of you wont drive these cars more than 50 miles a month so, I guess you’ll never let me know.
Have you actually owned these GT cars past 10k miles? Do you know the annual service required for these cars - simply daily driving it, going WOT occasionally? Minimum 2-3 oil changes, spark plugs and sometimes coils, transmission fluid. Thats $5,000 worth of annual service per year. And thats if you make it there without engine blowing up or cats failing or exhaust valves going bad.
come on... give me a break.
The pushrod 6.2 liter can go and go and go and go for tens of thousands of miles. They are bullet proof. You change your oil once every 6000-7000 miles (and thats 9 quart of cheap $10 oil) and you are done. No service necessary elsewhere for 6-7 maybe 8 years assuming car sees 6000-7000 miles/year.
Have you heard a ZR1 at WOT on 1-2-3 gears? I strongly recommend you do. I have driven all of these cars. ZR1 is GT2RS levels performance but without the problems of turbo (lag, lack of noise, muted character).
Quality? The fact that you quote interior quality so many times to me show you and I have completely different expectations from a car. Because the way i drive my car, there is simply no TIME to even briefly look at the inside. There is no WAY to even hear the interior rattles. Some of you are clearly here because you cant afford a F car, so you want poor man’s Ferrari driving a 911 GT car. But I doubt you will drive your car like you stole it in real life.
Some of you are delusional. Thats the word.
How many of the gen 1 gt3 cars have gone through at least 1 engine? There are cars on their 4th engine here.
There are gen2 cars popping up with engine failures (different reasons, but still).
The mighty mezger engine. Right. Lets see... you have to do the coolant lines ($3000-4000). You have to rebuild the diff because the rear steps out under heavy breaking ($3000-5000). The clutch doesnt last more than 20k miles, even less if its an RS. Brake pads need changing every 10k miles.
You want to hear my experience driving, ahem daily driving, my shelby gt350. 49,000 miles as of today. Multiple, numerous 8250 rpm shifts. Do you know what I had to change in that car besides oil in almost 50,000 miles? Hmmm cabin air filter ($20). Fuel filter ($29). And thats about it.... Do you know how many times it went to a dealer in its entire life time? Total? 2 (TWO). Yes not a typo. And both times it was my fault but Ford covered it. Try that in your “GT” car and let me know how it works. Most of you wont drive these cars more than 50 miles a month so, I guess you’ll never let me know.
Have you actually owned these GT cars past 10k miles? Do you know the annual service required for these cars - simply daily driving it, going WOT occasionally? Minimum 2-3 oil changes, spark plugs and sometimes coils, transmission fluid. Thats $5,000 worth of annual service per year. And thats if you make it there without engine blowing up or cats failing or exhaust valves going bad.
come on... give me a break.
The pushrod 6.2 liter can go and go and go and go for tens of thousands of miles. They are bullet proof. You change your oil once every 6000-7000 miles (and thats 9 quart of cheap $10 oil) and you are done. No service necessary elsewhere for 6-7 maybe 8 years assuming car sees 6000-7000 miles/year.
Have you heard a ZR1 at WOT on 1-2-3 gears? I strongly recommend you do. I have driven all of these cars. ZR1 is GT2RS levels performance but without the problems of turbo (lag, lack of noise, muted character).
Quality? The fact that you quote interior quality so many times to me show you and I have completely different expectations from a car. Because the way i drive my car, there is simply no TIME to even briefly look at the inside. There is no WAY to even hear the interior rattles. Some of you are clearly here because you cant afford a F car, so you want poor man’s Ferrari driving a 911 GT car. But I doubt you will drive your car like you stole it in real life.
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08-26-2019, 11:05 AM
#37
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08-26-2019, 11:08 AM
#38
If Chevy make something like this slightly detuned, I
might be interested:
But I would take a built Lingenfelter NA engine all day over a supercharger. Turbos are the future, especially with all the new efficiency regulations. Superchargers are old school tech.
might be interested:
But I would take a built Lingenfelter NA engine all day over a supercharger. Turbos are the future, especially with all the new efficiency regulations. Superchargers are old school tech.
08-26-2019, 11:12 AM
#39
This is my Corvette. 😉
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08-26-2019, 11:21 AM
#40
Race Director
Just watched Lightning Lap on Youtube. I can hear it. Tranny seems improved, but never liked the sound of an american V8, unless it’s the Le Mans Corvette race car, and no supercharger in that car.
A GT3 RS sounds so much better:
https://youtu.be/XQC26TzOJVo
A GT3 RS sounds so much better:
https://youtu.be/XQC26TzOJVo
08-26-2019, 11:23 AM
#41
Race Director
08-26-2019, 11:27 AM
#42
Over 5500k rpm it is very easy to hear the whine.
08-26-2019, 11:49 AM
#43
Race Director
08-26-2019, 12:19 PM
#44
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With me it’s weight. I realized anything over 3000# without driver is not my cup of tea. I admire Chevy for building the C8 just like Ford and the GT350. Nice to see Murica building enthusiasts cars.
Peter
Peter
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