Wife left me. This could get ugly.
12-10-2018, 04:53 PM
#47
Rennlist Member
All the 458 votes: have u owned/driven a Scud?
458 wins the beauty contest for sure. Behind the wheel experience, not so sure it's as lopsided as this feedback suggests. Yes, the f1 transmission, even in std 430, is just bad. I personally think the sf2 in the Scud is one of the most fun paddle shift cars ever made. I was shocked how good the sf2 was in the Scud after owning a 430 Berlinetta once upon a time. It's the only f1 I've driven that was even acceptable, let alone good.
I think they are both worth owning at some point in time. I wouldn't listen to anyone on the forums or which you should choose. I'd get behind the wheel of both and make up my own mind.
458 wins the beauty contest for sure. Behind the wheel experience, not so sure it's as lopsided as this feedback suggests. Yes, the f1 transmission, even in std 430, is just bad. I personally think the sf2 in the Scud is one of the most fun paddle shift cars ever made. I was shocked how good the sf2 was in the Scud after owning a 430 Berlinetta once upon a time. It's the only f1 I've driven that was even acceptable, let alone good.
I think they are both worth owning at some point in time. I wouldn't listen to anyone on the forums or which you should choose. I'd get behind the wheel of both and make up my own mind.
12-10-2018, 04:59 PM
#48
Drifting
Hey Rob
I owned both and put about 4k miles on each. Very different cars...
The wifey will not like riding in the Scud...the shifts are harsh.
If I had to pick one I would probably go with 458. Its one of the all time great cars. And I agree its fast enough.
I owned both and put about 4k miles on each. Very different cars...
The wifey will not like riding in the Scud...the shifts are harsh.
If I had to pick one I would probably go with 458. Its one of the all time great cars. And I agree its fast enough.
12-10-2018, 05:06 PM
#49
Race Director
Rob you can't go wrong with the 458 Ferrari. Its modern and reliable and the last of the natural aspirated screaming Ferrari's! Other than that a F430 with 6 speed manual would be cool...somewhat modern and reliable, just watch the oil/coolant pump as those are known to go bad....but the 458 is awesome and special... Go for it!
12-10-2018, 05:18 PM
#50
Instructor
there is definitely strong contrast between the 458 and gt3. the looks inside outside and the sound alone is diff enough, not to mention performance. GT3 might be a quicker and more precise car, but u need to go so fast to enjoy it. If the 458 is cheaper to repair, it would be a no a brainer across all marques - it's very versatile and good for all occasions
12-10-2018, 05:20 PM
#51
Rennlist Member
I'll throw you a curve... It's more money than a 458, but have you considered an 05-06 Ford GT? Wicked fun. If I was looking for a compliment to my GT3 w/ PDK, a Ford GT would be it!
12-10-2018, 05:24 PM
#52
If 430, go with manual, so Scuderia is out. The Magneti-Marelli F1 system in the 599, 430, 360, 355 and every car before the German Getrag found in the 458/F12 and forward is disastrous, fragile, and expensive to maintain. It is annoying that a street driven car requires a new clutch every 5,000 miles, or less than 1,000 miles if you track it. The transmission alone says runs away. I had a $19k bill to repair the F1 actuators at 11,000 miles in my 599 HGTE, and never tracked the car.
I have talked to many 458/488 owners, they all prefer the feedback of the 458, but prefer the look and amenities in the 488. On my end, I prefer a 2015 Carrera GTS to a 2017+ Carrera GTS, the late car is more powerful, the 991.1 has better feedback, so similar analogy between 458 and 488.
Money wise, 458 and 488 are apart by close to $100k. So, 458 is the right choice.
A friend owns an exotic car rental business, his best money making car (he has all the $500k and less exotics you could think about) the 458 Italia. They thing only asks for tires and oil changes. One of his 458s has over 90,000 miles, and aside from leather stains and sticky buttons, the car is as good as any 5,000 miles 458. The sticky controls have a fix now, a few shops refinish them, and the leather wear is expected on a rental car.
I have driven the Scuderia and 458, the Scuderia has louder noises, but the 458 is a vastly better car. Put a Kline exhaust and the 458 sounds better than your GT3 (indeed any GT3). Springs are height adjustable. Wheels are all over the place for good prices new or used.
458 engine is bulletproof, same engine as the 458 Challenge and owners of these challenge cars are running 200+ hours before a rebuild, similar lifespan for the transmission (and they use the same Getrag DCT).
Brakes need a lot of aftermarket cooling, but if you're not tracking it, ignore, the CCB are fine.
Vastly different car than any Porsche, so it is justified to have both.
Depreciation wise, they are slowly depreciating at this point, they will never be sub $100k cars, as the 360s are now stable on prices, and 430s too, low trade-in value for a 458 Italia (coupe) is still in the high $150k, so they have good resale.
I have talked to many 458/488 owners, they all prefer the feedback of the 458, but prefer the look and amenities in the 488. On my end, I prefer a 2015 Carrera GTS to a 2017+ Carrera GTS, the late car is more powerful, the 991.1 has better feedback, so similar analogy between 458 and 488.
Money wise, 458 and 488 are apart by close to $100k. So, 458 is the right choice.
A friend owns an exotic car rental business, his best money making car (he has all the $500k and less exotics you could think about) the 458 Italia. They thing only asks for tires and oil changes. One of his 458s has over 90,000 miles, and aside from leather stains and sticky buttons, the car is as good as any 5,000 miles 458. The sticky controls have a fix now, a few shops refinish them, and the leather wear is expected on a rental car.
I have driven the Scuderia and 458, the Scuderia has louder noises, but the 458 is a vastly better car. Put a Kline exhaust and the 458 sounds better than your GT3 (indeed any GT3). Springs are height adjustable. Wheels are all over the place for good prices new or used.
458 engine is bulletproof, same engine as the 458 Challenge and owners of these challenge cars are running 200+ hours before a rebuild, similar lifespan for the transmission (and they use the same Getrag DCT).
Brakes need a lot of aftermarket cooling, but if you're not tracking it, ignore, the CCB are fine.
Vastly different car than any Porsche, so it is justified to have both.
Depreciation wise, they are slowly depreciating at this point, they will never be sub $100k cars, as the 360s are now stable on prices, and 430s too, low trade-in value for a 458 Italia (coupe) is still in the high $150k, so they have good resale.
12-10-2018, 05:36 PM
#53
458 Spider. Personally, the best combo of looks, sound, fun, and value for $170-200K right now. Deep dive Ferrarichat 458/488 forum, years of good stuff there. Also, look for some Youtube videos on the Scud. There is a decent amount of crap that goes wrong on those cars.
12-10-2018, 06:27 PM
#54
Three Wheelin'
458 Spider. Personally, the best combo of looks, sound, fun, and value for $170-200K right now. Deep dive Ferrarichat 458/488 forum, years of good stuff there. Also, look for some Youtube videos on the Scud. There is a decent amount of crap that goes wrong on those cars.
12-10-2018, 06:34 PM
#55
Three Wheelin'
First off, I thought I was going to have to offer my basement bedroom to you. Haha!
My vote goes towards 458 spider. I drove the non spider and fell in love. It would go well with the Gt3. I do love the scud and drove Sean’s- it’s a bit harsh for what you’re thinking but a lovely car. You really can’t go wrong.
...but how about a boxster spyder?😎
My vote goes towards 458 spider. I drove the non spider and fell in love. It would go well with the Gt3. I do love the scud and drove Sean’s- it’s a bit harsh for what you’re thinking but a lovely car. You really can’t go wrong.
...but how about a boxster spyder?😎
12-10-2018, 07:27 PM
#57
Race Director
Thread Starter
First off, I thought I was going to have to offer my basement bedroom to you. Haha!
My vote goes towards 458 spider. I drove the non spider and fell in love. It would go well with the Gt3. I do love the scud and drove Sean’s- it’s a bit harsh for what you’re thinking but a lovely car. You really can’t go wrong.
...but how about a boxster spyder?😎
My vote goes towards 458 spider. I drove the non spider and fell in love. It would go well with the Gt3. I do love the scud and drove Sean’s- it’s a bit harsh for what you’re thinking but a lovely car. You really can’t go wrong.
...but how about a boxster spyder?😎
A spider would be great but i don’t think i can sell her on one. She isn’t a fan. Sean’s Scud is sweet, but i think it goes over like a fart in a spacesuit.
12-10-2018, 07:28 PM
#58
Race Director
Thread Starter
Thanks again guys. Tons of great advice on this. I appreciate it.
12-10-2018, 08:10 PM
#59
I think having 2 9k screamers is a little too similar (even though the way they get there is different). My personal preference would be a 570s. It's got the latest tech, twin turbos for a different shove, exotic exterior, and the doors! It's the 'differen't compliment to the gt3. I have a feeling you'll end up reaching for the keys of the 458 every time over the gt3 especially if you're not tracking.
12-10-2018, 08:13 PM
#60
Ford GT the best car of the bunch. Only prob is a good one likely $250k plus.
Worth the stretch if feasible