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No problem, your post only reminded me I have them. Not in a hurry to sell, until my RS arrives... I'll not know 'for sure' what color belts I may need.

Best Regards,
Dave

Bob Rouleau

Dunno about PCA not allowing 6 point harness because a tiny slit needs to be made in the passenger seat. I have6 points both sides. On the other hand PCA has made some very odd rules - the 5 year harness rule for example. It's OK to use a 20 year old 3 point belt but a harness expires after 5 years ...WTF?

I am told PCA is planning on a rule which will require a HANS if a harness is used. In a car with functional airbags this makes zero sense to me. ... other than making money for people that make and or sell HANS.

race7117

I believe this rule is in effect, if you have harness must have Hans. Lot of weird rules, windows down, only hand signals no use of indicators( very unsafe). No 4 point with antisub belt but will allow 3 point. etc. What I really find funny is that they updated the rules for Hans devices with harnesses for safety yet they still won't allow windows up with indicators allowing for constant control over the steering wheel, Thats what they do that in at The Driving School but we still have to use hand signals and windows down. At first I thought it was just because it was hard to get changes to the rules but here we are with the brand new hans rule so really WTF?

CRex

The 6-point may be a hassle to install in our street cars but that's the only harness I'd go with. Safety's the obvious point--if you're going to take your GT2RS to the limit, you want the best protection.

Then there are practical performance considerations. The LWBs (or whatever seats have you) are road seats. They just don't hug you the same way a fitted race bucket does. The net effect is we rely on the belts for seat feel in the road cars, rather than the seat itself.

The lap belts are there to provide lateral seat feel. But with a 4-point you're missing the forward-backward dimension afforded by the crotch belt.

I used to not finesse with the crotch belt, thinking it was just there to prevent the driver from submarining in a frontal impact. But as one got faster, the the data started showing my butt shifting front-to-back, and that in turn affected my braking consistency (esp. true if you LFB, and there's no left foot for buttressing). Towards the end of last season I reconfigured the crotch belt for a tighter "hold" and voila, the braking traces began to look far better, and I was shaving times just from being more secure.

If a better fitted crotch belt yielded tangible improvements, I can't imagine lapping without one. And while we're at it, I wouldn't go for 5 points... go the whole way with 6.

BTW I had 918 LWBs in the 991.1 and installed 6-points no problem. The seat shells had pre-fab'd holes under the crotch.

race7117

I couldn't agree more, I am in between RS cars at the moment and only running the lap belt with a Hybrid Hans in the Touring and after a bunch of sessions this weekend my bootie muscles are all kinds of messed up from moving around, the LWB are decent but not full race seats like you say but the lack of harness is killing me, can't wait to get the RS back and get her properly ready for the track. 6 points all the way and a proper race seat esp with the PDK and left foot braking

BK77

Thanks for all the feedback guys, very much appreciated.

I've decided to do 6 point both sides, it just doesn't make any sense to not to have them especially when tracking the car.

Mvez

I use the 4 pt, and has been great on track. I use 6pt in my race-cars, but for my dual purpose GT3 and M3, nothing beats the Schroth quickfits specific for those cars. Perfectly safe and the support it provides is great for DE driving. No lap belts in the way for street driving, or hacking up a carbon bucket.

You can argue pro/cons for both, but ultimately it's just a decision. Both provide proven, sled tested safety.

BK77

I had my shop go ahead and order the your WEC bar, sub mount and Buffeting kit today, thanks again for the recommendation. I'm going with 6 point...