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Old 06-18-2018, 11:26 AM
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You are welcome.

My point was not to minimize the quality of the pilots, but really in Le Mans, (as with any 24 hours race), it is the team that wins.
And usually, the car that wins is the one that has spend the least time into the pits.
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Originally Posted by Robert Linton
And, note, they won with a normally aspirated engine.
I don't know if RSR had BOP advantage

Or, all that turbocharged ford GT + aerodynamics is not what it was hyped up to be.
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Originally Posted by Ascend
I don't know if RSR had BOP advantage

Or, all that turbocharged ford GT + aerodynamics is not what it was hyped up to be.
Yes there were BOP adjustments after Friday's qualifying.

Ahhhh, the Ford GTs dominated last year. Aero is pretty damn good.

What a difference a year makes.
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Seems to me that the Ferds tried their sandbagging game again because they were def much faster on race day than on practice and qualifying.
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Originally Posted by LexVan
The same cars (911 RSR) in GTE Pro and GTE Am. Big difference in times and results. Goes to show how 3 pro drivers compare to just 1 or 2.
Originally Posted by Ascend
I don't know if RSR had BOP advantage

Or, all that turbocharged ford GT + aerodynamics is not what it was hyped up to be.
Originally Posted by LexVan
Yes there were BOP adjustments after Friday's qualifying.

Ahhhh, the Ford GTs dominated last year. Aero is pretty damn good.

What a difference a year makes.
Originally Posted by ranger22
Seems to me that the Ferds tried their sandbagging game again because they were def much faster on race day than on practice and qualifying.
Where is all the whining from the chicken littles that watch 5 minutes a year and pontificate about their grand theories regarding GTE racing? One esteemed member of this very forum once informed me that the new RSR was actually turbo, it was just a secret!

Digression aside ... there was a BOP adjustment on Friday that impacted many cars in the class, including Porsche and Ford. In reality, the BOP probably favored the Porsche (70th Anniversary ... hmm), but the Pink Pig ran flawlessly. The 94 retired, 93 had an alternator issue, and the 91 got hung up at pit out (along with at least one ford) during a safety car period.

The Ford has outstanding aero efficiency - witness Daytona - and typically has the least power of any car in GTE; that’s per a Porsche GTE crew member.
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Originally Posted by Guest89
Where is all the whining from the chicken littles that watch 5 minutes a year and pontificate about their grand theories regarding GTE racing? One esteemed member of this very forum once informed me that the new RSR was actually turbo, it was just a secret!

Digression aside ... there was a BOP adjustment on Friday that impacted many cars in the class, including Porsche and Ford. In reality, the BOP probably favored the Porsche (70th Anniversary ... hmm), but the Pink Pig ran flawlessly. The 94 retired, 93 had an alternator issue, and the 91 got hung up at pit out (along with at least one ford) during a safety car period.

The Ford has outstanding aero efficiency - witness Daytona - and typically has the least power of any car in GTE; that’s per a Porsche GTE crew member.
You know as well as I do that there are games and politics played to garner a better BoP. Ferd has done a good job in the past, but as you say, maybe Porsche 70th was in consideration. They did take 10 kilos after qualifying before the race, so I think Porsche's dominance in practice and qualifying prob played a role. But what do I know, apparently I only watch 5 mins a year.....
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Originally Posted by ranger22
You know as well as I do that there are games and politics played to garner a better BoP. Ferd has done a good job in the past, but as you say, maybe Porsche 70th was in consideration. They did take 10 kilos after qualifying before the race, so I think Porsche's dominance in practice and qualifying prob played a role. But what do I know, apparently I only watch 5 mins a year.....
They also gave 8 kg to Ford before the race
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Originally Posted by Guest89
Digression aside ... there was a BOP adjustment on Friday that impacted many cars in the class, including Porsche and Ford. In reality, the BOP probably favored the Porsche (70th Anniversary ... hmm), but the Pink Pig ran flawlessly. The 94 retired, 93 had an alternator issue, and the 91 got hung up at pit out (along with at least one ford) during a safety car period.

The Ford has outstanding aero efficiency - witness Daytona - and typically has the least power of any car in GTE; that’s per a Porsche GTE crew member.
Yeah, I read about Porsche getting advantage b/c it's their 70th anniversary. But really?
What the hell is the point of racing if you are given an advantage just because it's your 70th anniversary?
That's a load of bullsh*t.
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Question- did GTE Am run the 911 RSR last year...the same RSR as this year? I don't think so. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by LexVan
The same cars (911 RSR) in GTE Pro and GTE Am. Big difference in times and results. Goes to show how 3 pro drivers compare to just 1 or 2.
GTE Am runs a different BoP to Pro. It's not just the drivers.
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Originally Posted by Ascend
Yeah, I read about Porsche getting advantage b/c it's their 70th anniversary. But really?
What the hell is the point of racing if you are given an advantage just because it's your 70th anniversary?
That's a load of bullsh*t.
Or that classic Ford-Ferrari battle in 2016 ... 50th anniversary of first Ford win. What a coincidence!
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There was no BoP advantage for Porsche as this proves:

FORD
Car #
Average Lap time (Laps under 3:55)
Best
66
03:52.6
03:50.3
67
03:52.6
03:50.2
68
03:52.3
03:50.1
69
03:52.8
03:50.2
PORSCHE
Car #
Average Lap time (Laps under 3:55)
Best
91
03:52.3
03:50.2
92
03:52.5
03:50.4
93
03:52.8
03:50.5
94
03:53.0
03:51.2
Old 06-19-2018, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JMartinni
GTE Am runs a different BoP to Pro. It's not just the drivers.
Also - The AM cars are last year's Pro cars.. They must be one year or older.
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Originally Posted by Spyderidol
Also - The AM cars are last year's Pro cars.. They must be one year or older.
That's incorrect; the AM cars must be to the spec of the previous year cars, but not necessarily produced in the prior year. There were 6 AM cars at Le Mans, and I don't think there were 6 RSRs made last year.
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Originally Posted by Guest89
That's incorrect; the AM cars must be to the spec of the previous year cars, but not necessarily produced in the prior year. There were 6 AM cars at Le Mans, and I don't think there were 6 RSRs made last year.
You are correct. The spec is at least a year old.


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