Would you get new GT3 without PCCB?
05-21-2018, 05:15 PM
#46
A lot of people like the brake pedal feel / modulation better with the irons.
Irons can be upgraded to CCB at any time if needed.
Buying a used car with CCB is a bad idea since it’s not easy to know when they will need to be replaced.
I had CCB on my GT3 — they looked cool but no advantage in braking performance. Ordered new RS with irons.
Basically CCBs are like bling for your car. If you care about the look and impressing people at cars and coffee, then go for it. Purely from a rational perspective, they don’t make sense.
Irons can be upgraded to CCB at any time if needed.
Buying a used car with CCB is a bad idea since it’s not easy to know when they will need to be replaced.
I had CCB on my GT3 — they looked cool but no advantage in braking performance. Ordered new RS with irons.
Basically CCBs are like bling for your car. If you care about the look and impressing people at cars and coffee, then go for it. Purely from a rational perspective, they don’t make sense.
05-21-2018, 05:26 PM
#47
If ordering/configuring a car PCCB is a must for me as well. If looking at a pre-owned car, if everything else is what I want - I wouldn't rule out a car for *not* having PCCB. But for my personal use/style of driving, if I have a choice I will go PCCB.
05-21-2018, 05:27 PM
#48
PCCB's 9200$ for option
With street and light track usage 2-3X year the PCCB's should last approximately 100k Miles. The real question is with same usage with irons how many times will irons be changed in the 100k mile period. How much will it cost for iron brake jobs. If you plan on keeping car for a while the PCCB's are actually cost effective over the irons.
With street and light track usage 2-3X year the PCCB's should last approximately 100k Miles. The real question is with same usage with irons how many times will irons be changed in the 100k mile period. How much will it cost for iron brake jobs. If you plan on keeping car for a while the PCCB's are actually cost effective over the irons.
05-21-2018, 05:40 PM
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05-21-2018, 05:55 PM
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Understood.
ST refurb 5x is TBD, I'm not there yet but should only be a few weekends away of doing the first one.
My thoughts on PCCB or no PCCB would be; If I got a car with PCCB, I pay $9200, sell the rotors for about that money, maybe more?
The new replacement PCCB rotors are about $25K, so maybe they bring $13K in order to buy the ST rotors and you get yellow calipers.
If they bring more straight off the car, then why not?
Curious what they go for now straight off the car. The last time I sold new ones, I got $10K on my 997RS.
If you want to sell the car eventually with new PCCB rotors, then keep them on the shelve but I wouldn't care about that personally.
Only for street use, this all doesn't matter, the PCCB will last forever.
I do actually like the steel brake feel a little better because its too hard to get the rotors up to ideal temp.
But maybe the suspension and steering feel is just that little bit nicer with PCCB..
ST refurb 5x is TBD, I'm not there yet but should only be a few weekends away of doing the first one.
My thoughts on PCCB or no PCCB would be; If I got a car with PCCB, I pay $9200, sell the rotors for about that money, maybe more?
The new replacement PCCB rotors are about $25K, so maybe they bring $13K in order to buy the ST rotors and you get yellow calipers.
If they bring more straight off the car, then why not?
Curious what they go for now straight off the car. The last time I sold new ones, I got $10K on my 997RS.
If you want to sell the car eventually with new PCCB rotors, then keep them on the shelve but I wouldn't care about that personally.
Only for street use, this all doesn't matter, the PCCB will last forever.
I do actually like the steel brake feel a little better because its too hard to get the rotors up to ideal temp.
But maybe the suspension and steering feel is just that little bit nicer with PCCB..
Just ftom personsl experience having driven nearly identical 1.1 GT3s back to back, same day and same hour, and same track, I can feel the difference between irons and ceramics. It’s not just the decrease in unsprung weight but the fade resistance is really confidence inspiring.
But again that’s just me and I’m sure someone who’s a better driver will have a different opinion.
05-21-2018, 06:24 PM
#52
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PCCB's 9200$ for option
With street and light track usage 2-3X year the PCCB's should last approximately 100k Miles. The real question is with same usage with irons how many times will irons be changed in the 100k mile period. How much will it cost for iron brake jobs. If you plan on keeping car for a while the PCCB's are actually cost effective over the irons.
With street and light track usage 2-3X year the PCCB's should last approximately 100k Miles. The real question is with same usage with irons how many times will irons be changed in the 100k mile period. How much will it cost for iron brake jobs. If you plan on keeping car for a while the PCCB's are actually cost effective over the irons.
I got 16 hard track days on front rotors and about triple that on the rears. Roughly I think the ST rotors need refurbishing at the same intervals.
From talking to a couple of people with the Surface Transforms, the modulation (or is it brake feel?) is not the same as the PCCBs.
Just ftom personsl experience having driven nearly identical 1.1 GT3s back to back, same day and same hour, and same track, I can feel the difference between irons and ceramics. It’s not just the decrease in unsprung weight but the fade resistance is really confidence inspiring.
But again that’s just me and I’m sure someone who’s a better driver will have a different opinion.
Pad choice of course also comes into play and is again very personal in terms of preference.
But the difference is such that anyone will calibrate quick enough to any of them where it's a non-issue to me either way.
Unless you can sell your PCCB rotors straight off the car for more then $9200!
05-21-2018, 07:20 PM
#53
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Not people who have driven the new PCCBs on track. The feel over a 30 (or even 60 min) session is insanely consistent. None of the progressive fade you get with even the best irons.
True.
I had CCB on my GT3 — they looked cool but no advantage in braking performance. Ordered new RS with irons.
Basically CCBs are like bling for your car. If you care about the look and impressing people at cars and coffee, then go for it. Purely from a rational perspective, they don’t make sense.
Basically CCBs are like bling for your car. If you care about the look and impressing people at cars and coffee, then go for it. Purely from a rational perspective, they don’t make sense.
05-21-2018, 09:03 PM
#54
I spec’d iron, then spent similar money as PCCB option upgrading to the AP Racing caliper plus AP Racing iron rotor kit. It’s within a pound of the PCCBs weight at each corner, and should make pad changes a breeze.
05-21-2018, 09:06 PM
#55
One of the biggest advantages of PCCBs is that you don't have to swap pads for the track and they don't squeal on the street. This may be possible to replicate by using the PCCB pads with steels as mentioned above, but I don't know if this is possible. Swapping pads with this horrible caliper design is a major PITA.
mine are loud as hell.
05-21-2018, 11:04 PM
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05-21-2018, 11:27 PM
#59
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Interesting thread. Surprise that so many people ordered/want ceramics. I bet you 5 years ago was way different
But both Reds and Yellows squeak. Maybe Ceramics slightly less.
I do prefer Ceramics but would never be a deal breaker on a secondary car
But both Reds and Yellows squeak. Maybe Ceramics slightly less.
I do prefer Ceramics but would never be a deal breaker on a secondary car
05-21-2018, 11:30 PM
#60
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That's because the Gen III PCCBs are much improved over the Gen II (which most people here still cling to as a reference point for the "should I get PCCBs if I track my car" question)