AP on the GT3RS.2 and questions on suspension
03-10-2018, 08:58 AM
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Also, don't forget the praise for the new engine and the 9K redline - not all 4.0L are created the same.
I hope you're not still on a campaign to convince people that your RS is the best, nothing else could be significantly better, and it can't lose value.
03-10-2018, 10:17 AM
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I seriously doubt it. With equal tires, I estimate that the lap time improvement of the .2 will be maybe 1-1.5 s at a typical US track, which is not a small difference.
Also, don't forget the praise for the new engine and the 9K redline - not all 4.0L are created the same.
I hope you're not still on a campaign to convince people that your RS is the best, nothing else could be significantly better, and it can't lose value.
Also, don't forget the praise for the new engine and the 9K redline - not all 4.0L are created the same.
I hope you're not still on a campaign to convince people that your RS is the best, nothing else could be significantly better, and it can't lose value.
My point is that the changes/improvements are incremental to the same platform. Many of those improvements can be duplicated or equivalent by .1RS owners.
I love the WP. I am hoping for an allocation. If I get one at msrp I will buy the new car. What’s not to like?
03-10-2018, 11:10 AM
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If the .1RS didn’t need headers, BBi suspension and the new tires to be just as fast it would be just as good from a speed standpoint already. No?
My point is that the changes/improvements are incremental to the same platform. Many of those improvements can be duplicated or equivalent by .1RS owners.
I love the WP. I am hoping for an allocation. If I get one at msrp I will buy the new car. What’s not to like?
As I said before, I wouldn't trade a .1 RS to get the .2 RS, but I have no doubt that the .2 is a significantly more capable car overall.
03-12-2018, 06:03 AM
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I think what waxer is saying:
I can tune my car up for 20k and get more aggressive Modded parts and therefore increase the performance of my current car.
It's within reason that
a full exhaust +7-8 hp
Tuned ECU + 12-15 hp
Rose jointed susp mod = .5-1.0 seconds/ lap
Bolt on diffuser = easy
Makes sense to me
I can tune my car up for 20k and get more aggressive Modded parts and therefore increase the performance of my current car.
It's within reason that
a full exhaust +7-8 hp
Tuned ECU + 12-15 hp
Rose jointed susp mod = .5-1.0 seconds/ lap
Bolt on diffuser = easy
Makes sense to me
03-12-2018, 08:17 PM
#96
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I think what waxer is saying:
I can tune my car up for 20k and get more aggressive Modded parts and therefore increase the performance of my current car.
It's within reason that
a full exhaust +7-8 hp
Tuned ECU + 12-15 hp
Rose jointed susp mod = .5-1.0 seconds/ lapn
Bolt on diffuser = easy
Makes sense to me
I can tune my car up for 20k and get more aggressive Modded parts and therefore increase the performance of my current car.
It's within reason that
a full exhaust +7-8 hp
Tuned ECU + 12-15 hp
Rose jointed susp mod = .5-1.0 seconds/ lapn
Bolt on diffuser = easy
Makes sense to me
.1GT3RS fast.
.2GT3RS incrementally faster. 997.2RS to .1RS was a major step up in performance.
Some $ for mods .1RS is just as fast. BBi makes a beautiful suspension kit with rose jointed control arms. Nice Dundon headers and an ECU flash. Some updated MPSC's.
Fact is very few here regularly track their $200K+ street/track RS and wring it 10/10ths to extract every fraction of a second out of it to justify the cost of making the change for the incremental improvement. Very few can even extract 10/10ths from a .1RS anyway except guys like Peter, CJ and a few others here. If its a choice between trading to a new .2RS and losing $$$ on the .1RS and adding more $$$ for the incremental improvement in performance with the .2 one can probably save money and mod the .1RS for alot less and get damn near the same increment in improvement. We are talking about a "track" rat RS at this point so resale is out the window anyway.
Me? I don't track my .1RS. It costs way too much based on my means to risk track damage. I stuffed my TA2 Boss into a tire wall last fall. It was a $25K event. With the RS it would have easily been a $75K event before we even get to dimunition in value.
I enjoy my RS on weekend spirited drives and just owning and looking at it and the thrill of driving such a beast.
My interest in the new one is purely for the aesthetics of the WP and being able to spec an GT/RS for the first time. I love the WP and it's worth it to me to buy one if I get it at msrp.
Last edited by Waxer; 03-12-2018 at 09:09 PM.
03-12-2018, 09:06 PM
#98
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03-12-2018, 09:18 PM
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I think what waxer is saying:
I can tune my car up for 20k and get more aggressive Modded parts and therefore increase the performance of my current car.
It's within reason that
a full exhaust +7-8 hp
Tuned ECU + 12-15 hp
Rose jointed susp mod = .5-1.0 seconds/ lap
Bolt on diffuser = easy
Makes sense to me
I can tune my car up for 20k and get more aggressive Modded parts and therefore increase the performance of my current car.
It's within reason that
a full exhaust +7-8 hp
Tuned ECU + 12-15 hp
Rose jointed susp mod = .5-1.0 seconds/ lap
Bolt on diffuser = easy
Makes sense to me
03-13-2018, 08:31 AM
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Latest blurb I saw from AP is that the new RS will be at least 10 to 12 or maybe 15 seconds quicker than the predecessor around the Ring and that's a lot.
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03-13-2018, 07:14 PM
#102
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If I had a .1RS, and couldn't get an MSRP or reasonable allocation, I would most definitely throw a set of Ohlins or Bilstein at it and go hassle the newer cars.
You will get way more lap-time performance out of a good set of tires and suspension than you will chasing a few extra HP, in a .1RS. And by suspension, I'm not talking about some monoball control arm package, I'm talking about a real suspension upgrade.
I fully expect my 6MT .2 w/Ohlins to lap as quick or quicker than a .1RS at most tracks on similar tires, and be able to hassle a .2RS.
03-13-2018, 08:19 PM
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