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Interesting that there is so much love for the 996gt3. My main track car is a 996gt3. It’s a blast to drive. Never opened up engine and now over 60k miles. Whenever it needs opening I will most likely upgrade to sharky 3,9l or similar.
The 991 GT3 is better than the 997 RS 4.0 in every way, but i would trade my GT3 for it in a second.
Isn’t that funny? And the reason we want it is because it’s so hard to get it, and of course since it costs more. We never grow up, seems like high school kids chasing a popular girl.
Why is it that at the end of the next cycle, the RS has only gained 20hp on the 997 4.0, and arguably still less consistent torque throughout the rpm range?
I realize the comparison might not be fair because one is a generational LE send-off that was 50hp over the 3.8rs. But i would have bet 550+ by the end of 991 cycle. Every other aspect of the 991 gt series has blown away my expectations.
Maybe there's an LE still to come? Seems like that possibility has gone quiet but then again maybe that's all be design? Idk, doesn't seem like the R or even upcoming speedster were (are) much of a secret.
Why is it that at the end of the next cycle, the RS has only gained 20hp on the 997 4.0, and arguably still less consistent torque throughout the rpm range?
I realize the comparison might not be fair because one is a generational LE send-off that was 50hp over the 3.8rs. But i would have bet 550+ by the end of 991 cycle. Every other aspect of the 991 gt series has blown away my expectations.
Maybe there's an LE still to come? Seems like that possibility has gone quiet but then again maybe that's all be design? Idk, doesn't seem like the R or even upcoming speedster were (are) much of a secret.
The 991.2gt3 that I drove was “better” than the 997rs4.0 in almost every possible way. Gt3 engine felt like a big improvement from the 3.8l in 991.1gt3.
PDK also made the car feel faster than 997rs4.0.
Cant wait to drive 991.2gt3 MT back to back with my 4.0. Just have a feeling I´ll miss the PDK. MT fits really well with the 997. And the PDK is so nice in 991.2gt3. Don’t ask me why. They just do.
Agree on transmission choice for 991. But then again, I haven't driven a manual. I just know I loved PDKS in 991.1rs; never was wishing it was a manual.
There's no question the trans in my GT4 is "smoother" and "silkier"...however I kinda like the notchy feel of the 4.0. It makes you earn it. You feel it. You are connected to it.
To me the 4.0 is perfection. I mean sure the electronics are a bit dated but who cares really?
I haven't driven the new GT3 yet but I'm sure I will and I'm sure it's a fun car. But to try to compare it to a RS 4.0 is a silly game if you ask me.
The 991.2gt3 that I drove was “better” than the 997rs4.0 in almost every possible way. Gt3 engine felt like a big improvement from the 3.8l in 991.1gt3.
PDK also made the car feel faster than 997rs4.0.
Cant wait to drive 991.2gt3 MT back to back with my 4.0. Just have a feeling I´ll miss the PDK. MT fits really well with the 997. And the PDK is so nice in 991.2gt3. Don’t ask me why. They just do.
Compare what is comparable. so we exclude the PDK.
Location: The way to hell is paved by good intentions “Wenn ich Purist höre...entsichere ich meinen Browning” "Myths are fuel for marketing (and nowadays for flippers too,,,)" time to time is not sufficient to be a saint, you must be also an Hero
you know the answer to your question by yourself Isn' t it?
to me RS of different generations are not comparable
consider RS is only a GT3 parts bin tuned for track
so an RS should be compared to the GT3 it comes from
and not sure always better , it depends
but if you want to go cross platform
then
who says 997 RS
is MORE track focused more aero more power
(RS qualities that makes the tuning as An RS in compare to its own GT3,
whatelse qualties I am forgetting?)
in few words what makes 997 RS more RS than, let s say a 991.2 GT3 MT N.A. 4.0 liters which is track focused and has for sure MORE aero more power more efficent
lap times etc.??
or the RS is the badge?? Do you buy RS for the badge ??
going cross platform and considering all the NA 911s the 997 GT3 RS 4.0
is notthe last 4.0 liters NA Manual trasmission Porsche ever produced ( likely nor the best) but the last RS MT 997 GT3 track tuning for sure (and most likely the best )
I absolutely love my 997rs4.0. I could care less if they make another MT RS. Won’t change a thing for me. And to say that you cant compare a gt3 with an RS is just ignorant. They are so similar in the 991 model.
The 991.2gt3 is brilliant. So is the 991rs and the upcoming 991.2rs.
edit,
If they offer a MT option on the last limited edition 991rs I would pick PDK.
you know the answer to your question by yourself Isn' t it?
to me RS of different generations are not comparable
consider RS is only a GT3 parts bin tuned for track
so an RS should be compared to the GT3 it comes from
and not sure always better , it depends
but if you want to go cross platform
then
who says 997 RS
is MORE track focused more aero more power
(RS qualities that makes the tuning as An RS in compare to its own GT3,
whatelse qualties I am forgetting?)
in few words what makes 997 RS more RS than, let s say a 991.2 GT3 MT N.A. 4.0 liters which is track focused and has for sure MORE aero more power more efficent
lap times etc.??
or the RS is the badge?? Do you buy RS for the badge ??
going cross platform and considering all the NA 911s the 997 GT3 RS 4.0
is notthe last 4.0 liters NA Manual trasmission Porsche ever produced ( likely nor the best) but the last RS MT 997 GT3 track tuning for sure (and most likely the best )
You say more power because Porsche Marketing said it ! And certainly they want to make you forgetting the fiasco of the 991.1 GT3.
facts say something different as you can see below.
Location: The way to hell is paved by good intentions “Wenn ich Purist höre...entsichere ich meinen Browning” "Myths are fuel for marketing (and nowadays for flippers too,,,)" time to time is not sufficient to be a saint, you must be also an Hero
RS per RS badge discussion
The 997 GT2 RS wasn t manual trasmission ?
Oh wait it s not GT2 but GT3 we are talking about!!
Not that GT2 RS badge Isn t an RS one
but we are talking precisely about NATURALLY ASPIRATED!!
ok..
About marketing HP
I had the feeling marketing
was on 997 side
just think the 997 4.0L (yes MT)
less piston speed
more parasitic HP hydraulic steering
more parasitic HP hydraulic valvetrain
more parasitic HP engine metallurgy friction
not to mention the crap gearbox
so where's the 997 4.0L more HP comi g from ???
go figure when a proper air filter and exhaust are on 991 NA 4.0L (of course MT)
are you guys serious?! what car has what soul? 991 is soul-less and the last true 911 was the 997? Are you kidding? The 991 is some VW platform?
Thats the silliest of it all BUT ITS COMING!
None of these cars are much different and you can throw the 996 GT3 and GT3 RS in there. They are all pretty much the same. All with great characteristics but very similar. Just abit more comfortable. The last time I got in a car that was different was the hand made 993 TT , where you could smell the beautiful combination of the leather and the oil. And you would
turn on the heater and just get that whiff of exhaust before you passed out from monoxide poisoning! It was great! And I ran mine on VP Supercross fuel! Throw
that smell in there and it was just GLORIOUS!! Environmentalist would expire just getting near one!
IF you have any of those cars you should feel fortunate compared to the prius driving public. Any one of them
996,997 or 991 GT cars.
If you want to fear something, then fear this future: after the 992 VW mandates that the 911 will be on a corporate cross platform. Then there will be no 911 uniqueness.
Thats worth arguing right there. The 911 on some VW built cross platform. That IS true as opposed to the 991 being on one now.
are you guys serious?! what car has what soul? 991 is soul-less and the last true 911 was the 997? Are you kidding? The 991 is some VW platform?
Thats the silliest of it all BUT ITS COMING!
None of these cars are much different and you can throw the 996 GT3 and GT3 RS in there. They are all pretty much the same. All with great characteristics but very similar. Just abit more comfortable. The last time I got in a car that was different was the hand made 993 TT , where you could smell the beautiful combination of the leather and the oil. And you would
turn on the heater and just get that whiff of exhaust before you passed out from monoxide poisoning! It was great! And I ran mine on VP Supercross fuel! Throw
that smell in there and it was just GLORIOUS!! Environmentalist would expire just getting near one!
IF you have any of those cars you should feel fortunate compared to the prius driving public. Any one of them
996,997 or 991 GT cars.
If you want to fear something, then fear this future: after the 992 VW mandates that the 911 will be on a corporate cross platform. Then there will be no 911 uniqueness.
Thats worth arguing right there. The 911 on some VW built cross platform. That IS true as opposed to the 991 being on one now.
Maybe you’re taking it to the extreme. I didn’t go as far as you go. But. It’s amazing to read about the massive differences between 997rs4.0, 991rs and the 991.2gt3. Just look at that dyno chart. Those lines are all on top of each other.
Can’t wait for spring so I can inhale some of fumes in my 993tt.
02-12-2018, 02:59 AM
