Georg Kacher calling it - 992 GT3 is turbo (410kw)
01-30-2018, 03:03 PM
#31
Three Wheelin'
If Porsche can make big bucks off NA devotees and emission regulations can be met there will be more NA GT "niche" cars in limited numbers to further increase the angst and appeal.
01-30-2018, 03:40 PM
#34
Rennlist Member
Clearly I have shown to be stuck in time, nostalgia type of guy, a hopeless romantic... There may be a cure/pill for that, but I'll pass
01-30-2018, 03:41 PM
#35
Instructor
Originally Posted by Palting
LOL!!!
Anyhow, we can all wring our hands at the news. That is, until the new turbo GT3's start passing the old GT3's at the track like they are standing still. Then, let's see who will still want the NA cars as a track car over the faster and better turbos. If/when this happens, I for one will "upgrade", definitely.
Anyhow, we can all wring our hands at the news. That is, until the new turbo GT3's start passing the old GT3's at the track like they are standing still. Then, let's see who will still want the NA cars as a track car over the faster and better turbos. If/when this happens, I for one will "upgrade", definitely.
Of course. Track focused DOES NOT mean NA for anyone who actually cares about real track time. See that across all racing classes. If turbo lag is a concern then engineering will work at dealing with that.
01-30-2018, 03:44 PM
#36
Going FI is inevitable but please Porsche, I beg of you, whatever you do in the future, spare us from the mundane that is the turbo 4-cylinder eco engine!! Please promise to always have a flat six, twin turbo power plant out back (or mid-engine as times evolve) but please no eco 4 cyl engine EVER!!
01-30-2018, 03:46 PM
#37
Race Director
Keep the GT4 NA and put in the 4.0, whether detuned or not, and you will still have a winner and ample demand. Let the GT4 be the Purist car because the engine in the right place. They will never have to worry about it being faster than the potentially FI GT3.
01-30-2018, 03:49 PM
#38
IMO all of these turbo/last of NA threads/depressing threads are all just going to spawn more value/resale threads and more stress/worry over what by all accounts should be an awesome car. If you are fortunate enough to be able to afford/own this car, just enjoy it while you are still above ground. If you don't own a 991.2 GT3, but still own some other variant of the 911, I would also consider you fortunate 
It's still an awesome car in any shape or form, *in my opinion*
Air cooled -> water cooled, hydraulic -> electric steering, NA to turbo/turbo-hybrid....trust Porsche, or don't, and start shopping backwards for older cars. I wouldn't fret over this personally but instead enjoy these awesome machines. I believe that Porsche, as long as it makes the 911, will make it as true to the values and characteristics that have been with the car for the past 50+ years as possible. An old 911 won't drive like a 964 even though both engines NA. A 964 will drive differently than a 993 even though both engines NA. Same for 993 to 996, 996 to 997, 997 to 991. Evolution, whether based on demand for the German efficiency, or demand based on external regulations, or both..
It's human nature to want what we can't have, while everything was NA it seemed like the 911 Turbo and 911 GT2 were highly highly desirable cars, now everything is going turbo and it seems like the 991.1 Carreras and 991 GT3s are highly desirable for their NA engine. You can either focus on what may or may not happen in the future or enjoy the present
Life is too short....don't look too far ahead and just focus on the now....
namaste......
It's still an awesome car in any shape or form, *in my opinion*Air cooled -> water cooled, hydraulic -> electric steering, NA to turbo/turbo-hybrid....trust Porsche, or don't, and start shopping backwards for older cars. I wouldn't fret over this personally but instead enjoy these awesome machines. I believe that Porsche, as long as it makes the 911, will make it as true to the values and characteristics that have been with the car for the past 50+ years as possible. An old 911 won't drive like a 964 even though both engines NA. A 964 will drive differently than a 993 even though both engines NA. Same for 993 to 996, 996 to 997, 997 to 991. Evolution, whether based on demand for the German efficiency, or demand based on external regulations, or both..
It's human nature to want what we can't have, while everything was NA it seemed like the 911 Turbo and 911 GT2 were highly highly desirable cars, now everything is going turbo and it seems like the 991.1 Carreras and 991 GT3s are highly desirable for their NA engine. You can either focus on what may or may not happen in the future or enjoy the present
Life is too short....don't look too far ahead and just focus on the now....
namaste......
01-30-2018, 05:25 PM
#39
This whole thing has already played out in the Ferrari world. There are some F-enthusiasts who have fully embraced the turbo 488. And there are others who miss the aural delight of the 458 and would never go 488 in spite of the fact that it is faster. I personally fall into the latter of these two groups, and will never deviate because my dislike of turbo engines is firm and unchanging. I've been timing my purchases accordingly, which is why I've got a 458 Italia, 458 Speciale, 991.1 GT3, and soon 991.2 GT3 in my garage - because my days of purchasing new cars are now over. These cars will last me the rest of my life, as I'm now "done." Yes, the wife is happy that I'm done.
01-30-2018, 05:38 PM
#41
Sure, we can all argue it both ways - but at the end of the day I suspect the delta of performance will/is shifting favorably towards the turbo variants given the level of performance we are seeing. Not hating on the NA engine (do have a .2 on order), but matter of fact is there will be better cars to come, change isn't always bad!
01-30-2018, 06:00 PM
#42
[QUOTE=Palting;14765421]I think these very same sentiments were voiced by the 993 owners, the last of the air cooled, when Porsche announced they were going water cooled. It didn't matter that the then new water cooled 911 engines were so much better than the air cooled ones, they all still lamented the loss.
So, what will happen in the future? IMO, there will be avid Porschephiles raving about the turbo engined 911, enjoying the car both on and off the track, without looking back at the outdated NA engines. There will be a few holdouts lamenting about the loss of the NA engines. I love the water cooled 911, and when I see a 993, I go "WOW". But would I exchange my water cooled for an air cooled, even for daily driving? No way, man, just, no way. IMO, that will be the same sentiment in the future between turbo Porsche vs outdated NA Porsche[/QUOTE
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So, what will happen in the future? IMO, there will be avid Porschephiles raving about the turbo engined 911, enjoying the car both on and off the track, without looking back at the outdated NA engines. There will be a few holdouts lamenting about the loss of the NA engines. I love the water cooled 911, and when I see a 993, I go "WOW". But would I exchange my water cooled for an air cooled, even for daily driving? No way, man, just, no way. IMO, that will be the same sentiment in the future between turbo Porsche vs outdated NA Porsche[/QUOTE
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01-30-2018, 06:58 PM
#44
Drifting
This is just getting out of hand - let's look at it from a few perspectives. The GT3 is a track focused car, when the 997's were done it was "great, the metzger is gone... no need to buy this new 991.1 as it's bigger (physically), and the engine isn't Motorsports derived". Along with, "no manual, won't buy it". Fast forward and I think it's safe to say that the new platform didn't rob the 997 of its glory, and certainly proved to be a faster car which people admit.
Now, the new 992 could be a turbo? Well, we know a few things, it won't underperform the current cars - if proof is needed, I think the GTE class in IMSA speaks for itself in that the turbo's are the ones stealing the show and taking the biggest BoP adjustments.
Personally, I've got some faith in whatever direction Porsche goes, anything new that rolls out will a) be a step forward from a performance standpoint, and b) things change and evolve, this happens to be a fact that NA cars are losing to newer setups. Ie compare the 991.2 GT2 RS to past cars; even the current 991.2 GT3.
Now, the new 992 could be a turbo? Well, we know a few things, it won't underperform the current cars - if proof is needed, I think the GTE class in IMSA speaks for itself in that the turbo's are the ones stealing the show and taking the biggest BoP adjustments.
Personally, I've got some faith in whatever direction Porsche goes, anything new that rolls out will a) be a step forward from a performance standpoint, and b) things change and evolve, this happens to be a fact that NA cars are losing to newer setups. Ie compare the 991.2 GT2 RS to past cars; even the current 991.2 GT3.
Corvette won the title with a normally aspirated V8 last year. ALL of the engines in EVERY IMSA class are limited in terms of their output (either through sonic restriction or turbo boost limits).
The 991 GT3 is already the only Manual NA car available today, and it will only be produced for less than a full calendar year. If there has ever been a time when we can clearly see the direction in which cars are going.. this is it. Truly end of an era.. HODL on tight, and enjoy the ride, the NA sound, and the feel of a manual shift. This is it.
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01-30-2018, 07:08 PM
#45
Race Director
Originally Posted by eilig
This whole thing has already played out in the Ferrari world. There are some F-enthusiasts who have fully embraced the turbo 488. And there are others who miss the aural delight of the 458 and would never go 488 in spite of the fact that it is faster. I personally fall into the latter of these two groups, and will never deviate because my dislike of turbo engines is firm and unchanging. I've been timing my purchases accordingly, which is why I've got a 458 Italia, 458 Speciale, 991.1 GT3, and soon 991.2 GT3 in my garage - because my days of purchasing new cars are now over. These cars will last me the rest of my life, as I'm now "done." Yes, the wife is happy that I'm done.
You're in NA nirvana. Enjoy them!
