991.2 GT3 RS
 

One can dream...

Yes we can.....unobtainable for the most of us at a reasonable price.....

you are looking at quite possibly the last NA GT3/RS produced....

I hope not...

hope so. I have an allocation

Last NA, lol
How many x over the years do we hear this ?

You already have an allocation or you're first in the list?

last na
last turbo
last na plus hybrid
last turbo plus hybrid

last plutonium

really bored of this last craziness

first on the list. Have a thread i started on rennlist explaining my whole process


and no really hope its not the last NA. Im anti turbo. Even prefer supercharged instead. But some posts just make me jump straight to a sarcastic response

they gave out allocations already, huh? what dealer?

I guess Giuseppe beat me to it.

I'm #1 on the list at my local dealer and feel confident....why would they make 6000 .1RS (sorry Waxer) and limit the regular .2RS....only time they limited was with the 997 4.0, but even the regular 997 RS wasn't limited, was it?

The thing is that Porsche made twice as many RS as GT3 and they’re still going stronger than the ladder.

^ yes. they can make 10,000 RS and everyone will sell and most likely with a premium. i know many ppl who buy 3-4 RS at a time and one gent has 3 918. he was ordering 4th one but PAG said no,

i really dont care how many they make
just leave one for me.

That a boy Mooty, why be greedy. Make one for everyone Porsche.

Nice hyperbole there. You're telling me Porsche is just choosing to leave a Billion plus dollars in revenue on the table? Why?

^ u right i wrong
but the profit would be approx 400MM not billion
and there are quite a few reason a company like PAG for forgoe 400MM

"Desiderability

now also non lux brands have learnt the lesson
and they cook here n there limiteds

Next GT3 is turbo.. CONFIRMED!

(except I� think I�t might actually be true next go-around ) :roflmao:

Sounds like an idiot...3-4 of the same car...3 918s....I'll bet they're all the same color too...

differently than ppl talking about something they ll never had /have
i ll have one regardless

or you finally decided to buy a 991 after thousands of useless posts on this ?

I'm sure he paid sticker for them...now he's the idiot that had a return of investment of some 50%......I wish I was that idiot lol :p

+1. Where do i sign up to be an idiot?

I really like the look of the GT3 front bumper better than the GT2. This car will be stunning.

i do not have his wealth so i cannot yet comprehend his intelligence or lack there of.

but if being an idiot can like that. pls take a few of my brain cell

Pity, you missed chance for a smile. you demonstrate to be the same humorless soul as ever. Luckily, it’s never too late to stop taking yourself so seriously, that also, I� can confirm!

^Don't worry, I just disregard the posts (i.e. fxz's) that I can barely read/comprehend.

^try to understand the man is obsessed :D

Mooty, I am taking an extra 5,000 units at roughly $200k invoice per unit = 1 BN revenue

Keep in mind, PAG worldwide only sold 32,400 911s in 2016 so an additional 5,000 units would push 911 model sales up 15%.

The issue with producing more cars is that porsche has their next gen 911 already designed, and testing...the race to produce the perfect number of 991.2 GT cars is on

^ thats' all good, whatever that magic number is. just remember to save me one!!!

High GT demand fill the gap left by unsold base turbos

has anyone tried to get a regular GT3 recently? Any luck......

Sorry

Was at my dealer this morning finalizing paperwork for my .2 GT3, which is arriving Monday, and he told me new RS.2 info. should be out in a few weeks. Just what he told me, but he has been right on everything thus far.

so what did he tell you!

4.0L or 4.2L engine? MSRP below $200k?

He is saying that he was told that the info will be available in a few weeks. I dont think he means he got any other info besides that

I'm expecting the GT3RS-2 will be a GT2RS Body, Suspension, Tires, Wheels and Aero with a normally aspirated 4.0 or 4.2 L Engine, PDK-S, and a $250K Base price.

This, he just told me that the info. is coming out in a few weeks. No idea on allocations or anything...

What a tease (your dealer, not you)...haha

Haha I know, I guess I'm just passing the teasing along ;) Hope my SA won't tease me too much and give me a clear cut answer as to allocations, but we all know how that works. Until then I have my new GT3 arriving Monday and I plant to drive the wheels off of it.

RS wouldn’t be $110k, that’s GT2 RS price. Over gt3. $190k is upper limit

I'm really fascinated by the details of the new RS. My 2016 RS has been without a doubt my favorite car I've ever owned. I get first dibs on all GT cars at my dealer, assuming they are not limited to only 918 folks, so would love to get this new one. I just got my 2018 GT3 manual, so far not too thrilled with it. only a few hundred miles to date, but it feels much less mechanical then then my previous 991.1 GT3 in my opinion, not as loud and raucous as everyone claims- i'm wondering if these folks are driving a GT car for the first time! I know I know, but if I had to choose between my RS and my new GT3 its a no brainer at this point. I need to give it some more time to do the break in to get on the motor a bit, then perhaps I can be more judgmental. However, before doing a bunch of upgrades on my GT3 I will wait a few weeks to hear this information on the new RS. Thanks for the update!

Fairly sure the gen2 will have rose joints, like the GT2RS. And Weissach pack. 4.0 NA has been reliably tested at 600hp by Porsche, so see no case for a 4.2.

Also hope they have dealt with the issues of wheels hitting the arches on undulating tracks. And PLEASE get rid of all the warning messages (oil, tyre pressure, belt, outside temp,...). They're making me really jittery. :-)

Agree on this one! Tire pressure is the one that annoys me. It pops up all the time on track even when the pressures are up above minimums after a few laps!!!

The RS is special for sure but I think it’s tough to compare these two. I state that primarily due to the subjective nature of what one expects from the driving experience one is looking for.

I really liked my RS but the manual GT3 currently offers me the level of engagement that I love. Once the .2 RS is out I’ll also get it if an allocation comes my way.

+991.2

Agree that RS is special. After a year I still go into the garage just to stare it! The manual was the main draw for me to get the 991.2 GT3, otherwise I would have passed and waited for the next RS. In my opinion it really needs a bypass exhaust to spice up the sound. I was driving around town with my son yesterday and was shocked at how comfortable and quiet this car was compared to my RS and my prior GT3. its not as mechanical sounding as the previous 991 GT3. That car would start up make all sorts of noises, rattles and other sounds that were glorious, so I'm a bit surprised this new one is more quiet. However, I'm going to put on some miles this weekend and re-assess as the RPMs can start to elevate!

The sounds from the 99.1 GT3 were definitely ‘glorious.’ I hate to think they got rid of too much of it, if any really. I missed out on the .1RS, but looking forward to the .2RS.

On track, I activate track mode on tire pressure, take som air out - drive a stint, take air out and then doing a new measurement for track mode, after that I have no issues with tire pressure warnings. But the best thing have been a button och central consol with "manual tire pressure".

Holy crap, after an entire season of tracking I had no clue this existed! I'm going to search for come spring.

Are all my favorite GT3 sounds really gone?

ah... I did not know it has that.... (blush). Thanks!

I find the .2 more refined than the .1. But- if you have the Manual you are just too busy enjoying the Clutch and Shifter that you forget all the things and the noises that the .1 offered, which was a good thing because the PDK was putting me to sleep :)

Good way to describe it. On my GT3.1, it made so many awesome raw rattles/grinds that people often asked "is your car ok?". That will not happen on the GT3.2. its definitely more refined.

The only thing is that you must remember to tell the PCM every time you turn on the ignition that you want to stay in track mode.
If you forget to do that then you are in relearning mode for quite a while. I don't use this feature any more.

A very good idea but so poorly implemented.

Apparently the oem tire of the car will be dunlop sportmax race 2 instead mpsc2

Source?

But that article is for the GT2 RS. I think it will be fifty fifty between Michelin and Dunlop on .2 RS.

For the 991.2 GT3 RS we have to wait a little bit more

Quite honestly, I didn't care for the "marbles in a can" sounds that the .1 made. Sounded like sh*t was always broken.

Then you must really hate the Mezgers. I love the mechanical sounds. Part of the character of these cars. Taking that away neuters their character and charm just a bit imho.

+1

dont stress over it. they last 1500 miles so in a month you will have new tires.

My .2 IS definitely more civil, less mechanical sounds than the .1. I am in the camp of more noise the more I feel connected. Loved the sounds of my 997.2 / 3. When I drove this past summer in a friend's GT4 Clubsport, I was tempted to consider that route as well. That was a race car (haven't driven in a cup car to compare), but awesome sounds. I may have to start ripping $h-t out of my .2 to hear more sounds. :roflmao:

I prefer less fake mechanical noises. I don’t like rattles and random noises. It reminds me of driving a 360 Modena and comparing it to a 458. The 360 always felt and sounded like it was going to fall apart. If I want more noise I’ll just throw on some dundon race headers or an IPE exhaust. That is real noise. Not just noise panels or an engine that literally blows up. Give me a .2 GT3 in manual over random noises any day. The engagement with a manual will surpass any random noises.

Dr: I think you may be confusing fake exhaust sound piped into the cabin with mechanical engine sounds. I know of no way mechanical sounds can be faked.

+1 for mechanical sounds. Hope the .2 gt3rs has more than the .1. My LFA you can literally hear every cog moving in every mechanical part as long as you are below 6000 rpm. After that the exhaust fully takes over until a gear change. Makes it feel special to me

I'm not in the 'noise camp'... sorry been racing cars all my life... I don't want to hear noises that shouldn't be there. Go drive a Nissan GTR if you want to heaar a noisy DCT...

I couldn't be happier with my new GT3 6spd, super responsive, solid and incredible 'communication' from the manual, to the wheel, and the rear wheels.

Let's make sure the only noises are those you're supposed to hear, ie tires slipping out, engine revving etc... I don't need a noisy gearbox, or rear end whine.

The 997's and older all have their places, but evolution must move forward... says the guy who purchased a new manual. :D

Best Regards,
Dave

Well at least you still have that wonderful exhaust note! :cheers:

Those look like new cup cars.

Best Regards,
Dave

Cup cars definitely not RS as lack of rear air intakes on side of car. Can't wait to see the 991.2 GT3 RS soon.

Wow, just look at the size of that wing on the cup!!!

Just a random Q: why don't they use the indented "lightweight" Mg RS roof on the cup? Is that strictly a cost issue as one might expect the cup to get more banged up?

Cup cars with survivor body work after 100 hrs <20%

Cup cars are based on RS, they now have wide body.

When a cup car gets a new tub, is there a VIN on the new tub?

This is what I believe happens, or happened - first time replacement shell gets same VIN, subsequent shells come blank or with some code.

No, the Cup is homologated from the 911 GT3 - non RS variant.

https://www.porsche.com/usa/eventsan...turesandspecs/

Thanks guys. So do homologation rules prohibit swapping out parts like the roof? Why, when there are other mods?

There really is no advantage to things like a Mag. roof on a Cup IMO - plus the 991's are required to have an escape hatch to extract a driver if need be by almost all series they run in currently. That design gets updated from time and time again as the rollcage design is updated from Motorsports.

Plus, the bodies get beat up over time and use - I believe what CJ was eluding to as well. Would be $$$ to replace Mag. roofs.

The cars are weighed every weekend 2-3x

No reason to put cheater parts on...if you finish 10th just get more coaching.

Sorry, I stand corrected. ( ref cup car based on GT3 , not the RS )

thanks for those answers! :thumbup:

So any actual update on the .2 GT3RS? Everyone says launch at Geneva? A few spy pics floating about with the additional ducts on the bonnet etc......but nothing much else confirmed???

My flights and accommodation are booked for Geneva now.... :)

I think Geneve will be a different car not yet photo'd as widely with more of a dynamic launch planned for the RS...Goodwood, Rennsport etc.

RS will be launched in March.

The Speedster and/or SportClassic? With the .2GT frenzy the comments regarding such have died down. As we approach the 992 cycle it only makes sense for Porsche to begin pumping out a swath of special editions to bid farewell to this generation.

I hope the new GT4 and .2RS are released together in March. That would make for a fun 2019. I am selfishly awaiting to hear of Porsche Motorsports's plans for their GT3 & GT4 competition cars. I think significant change is in the works.

Off to find an MSRP allocation HA

Cheers

Yes, PDK only.

One of my cleaning ladies saw the car in the flesh late last year. He confirmed PDK only and a new green standard color offered but would not tell me whether it was going to be a 4.0L or a 4.2L.

Will they wait for the new GT4 until March 2019 or announce it late 2018?

Friend just called and told me configuration will open in February.

Can you trust this information?

On the configurator before they reveal the car? That seems kind of backwards to me.

cleaning lady rumors...
 

Possibly the fourth cleaning lady ;)

The cleaning lady (unsure which one) says that there is a forthcoming GT3 RS "Touring" in the pipeline. People, you might want to get on the wait list for this beast, I am. There is even talk that you will be able to option rear seats with it. No information yet whether or not there will be a manual option but because it is a "Touring" it stands to reason that a manual will be offered, possibly at an additional 10K cost. Also heard that PTS will jump to 25K on this very special model because of the extra nooks and crannies on the body. Porsche decided to still call it a GT3 RS much to the chagrin of the purists begging the question "is it a real GT3 RS". Marketing research indicates that it's value will at a minimum, are you sitting down, TRIPLE in the first 6 months, killing the 911R value let alone the GT3 Touring. In a first, this model will not be offered to the Porsche VIP's. Porsche wants you, the "average" customer to be able to treat this car as a real investment. This will be the ultimate Porsche sleeper because it does not have a wing, no one will know what the hell it is, just another ordinary Porsche. For the first time in an RS, you will definitely fly under the radar with this inconspicuous de-winged Porsche. Unfortunately, there is no information as yet on how many of these beauties Porsche plans to build. Also, are you ready for this, a bulletin just received by a different cleaning lady, maybe the fifth, suggests that Porsche Dealers have agreed unanimously to scrap ADM, or according to AP, risk losing their franchise.

Anyone else heard anything?

(Sorry, I am after all Canadian, too much time on my hands this afternoon, still waiting for my GT3)

As much as I'd love that to be true, there's no way it could be true in the US. And let's say by some miracle it is, you'll still get dealers working around somehow to extract a ADM.

LOL Martin, there's a lot of good-natured BS in my post...

Seriously, it will be very interesting to see what suggested retail prices will be on the option list for this car, in particular PTS.

I figured but still wanted to throw in my 2 cents. haha Anyhow, if they did raise PTS to $25k that would give me pause about getting PTS.

It was a joke, buddy

IF there was a Touring RS offered....another stupid way to soften and dilute yet another iconic variant (i.e. GT3 Touring)

I trust the source. Maybe I got backwards: maybe he meant that he could configure it in February. Anyhow: I was surprised to hear of an allocation and tried to verify with my dealer but dealer went on an early weekend.

I see it as a sign that it will be in Geneva.

I can confirm this. Configurator open 2nd week of Feb. Details launched on the web at the same time. Public launch Geneva. New special colour Green.

The "RS Touring" is going to have a wicked Ducktail to separate it, in appearance only, from the GT Model-line. It will be controversial, for certain.

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Ops. Somehow I read "991.2 GT3" only :icon107:

Base MSRP above or below 200k ? A manual offering possible? Anyone in the know as the introduction draws near?

PDK only and MSRP just under $200k

I hope it comes "Weissach" as standard (no cost option) The lightest GT3 RS ever made :burnout:

its the "cup Edition" this car :roflmao:

I do not care how they call it :rockon:

Patience. Not long now.

I have the patience of a 3 year old

tell me! :jumper:

Surprised the specs haven't been leaked yet so close to the reveal.

Isn't the reveal going to happen in March at the Geneva auto show in another 5-6 weeks?

4,0l
525hp
pdk only
GT2RS aero bits

but im not a betting man

Seems like too big of a HP jump from the GT3 to the RS. I say the HP will be somewhere between 520-530hp. Definitely updated PDK-S, updated electronic/rear wheel steering, GT2RS aero bits, 1 new standard color option, the new tail lights, the new PCM, and the newer tires....that's about all that I could think of upgrade wise besides the engine and bump in power.

You will learn of all the specs before Geneva.

i guess: minimum 15% above .1GT3RS MSRP.

Was told specs known within next 4-5 weeks.

maybe you should bet. ;-)
and add WP package

Hopefully, WS minus the 2-tone hood stripe.

Assuming it'll be the same spec as the GT2RS, to me the Weissach cost is really worth it if we can get the darn titanium rollcage included for US-versions.... without it, I'd likely take a pass.

We'll see....

https://www.porsche.com/internationa...ssach-package/

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...880174279f.jpg

Do you have seen the car?
I would be very surprised if the offer no WP! Dont think the carbon fiber parts + Gt2 RS wheels are stock. speaks for WP imho.

No TI cage or any other cage in the states for P. I've looked down every foxhole to find a way to get one here, no luck. I'm sure if you spend a crazy amount of $ there's always a way. I'm going without the WP on my 2RS for this reason. GMG came out with a cage that's looks very similar to the TI cage, I figure I'll just get that and have it painted a titanium color. :)

GT# RSR
 

We have all been talking about an upcoming .2 GT3 RS .... what about a much rawer more track-focused GT car an RSR. Porsche homologated one for racing in the FIA lemans series that is mid-engined should there be a Road version to be homologated for racing? would that be the last pure N/A special, like they did with the 997 4.0?

Road version must come before race version

and when you build more than 2000 (991.1RS) you can swap the engine (race 991 RSR mid engine)

Read other threads. It is not happening.

991.2 GT3RS mist is lifting.

4.0
525 hp or so .

will come also with Euro6c / particle filter after summer 2018.
so we will look also forward to a bright 992 GT future if this is true.

991 Speedster will follow with the same engine.

^ Can not wait to see what the Speedster is going to look like.

be sure as long we see a sport N/A engine with Euro6c - the race will go on.
for sure at Porsche and Ferrari. hopefully also ones again for McL.

for the dealer (his bank account) there is no better phrase than: "last N/A"..

Again.??

ppl blind themself

R8
Performante
812
GT3
Gt3RS
...
wasn' t the .1RS last N.A.
and of course 2000 units
:roflmao:

.2 RS will be NA. Moving forward it will be very difficult. In September 2019, all cars will have to undergo Real Driving Emissions (RDE) tests. That will be game over for normally aspirated cars. Our only hope will be a hybrid NA engine. Huracan, Aventador, R8, 812, GT3, GT3RS will be the last of their kind.

RDE step 1 – applies to new type approvals from 1 September 2017 and to all new registrations from 1 September 2019.

• For RDE1 a NOx conformity factor of 2.1 will apply meaning that NOx emissions in the RDE1 test can be up to 2.1 times the Euro 6 laboratory limit of 80mg/km.
• Cars type approved during this period will be described as meeting Euro 6d-temp.

RDE step 2 – applies to new type approvals from 1 January 2020 and to all new registrations from 1 January 2021.

• For RDE2 the NOx conformity factor is 1.0 but with an error margin of 0.5 meaning that NOx emissions in the RDE2 test can be up to 1.5 times the Euro 6 laboratory limit of 80mg/km.
• Cars type approved during this period will be described as meeting Euro 6d.

Unless the 992 GT3 is released and produced before Jan 2021, normally aspirated engines will for sure be gone.

September 2018 992 introduced.
Spring 2019 992's deliveries. c2, c2s, c4, c4s
Septmber 2019 Turbos introduced
March 2020 GTS models intorduced
September 2020 GT3 introduced
GT3 production starts 2021 - Won't meet the deadline.

Annoying about the particle filter but still, better the damned filter than no car at all or such a stupidly short production window such that almost no one can get the car.

Arethe rumours about the factory at Stuttgart shutdown from May with no petrol cars being produced for a few months actually true btw? I find that impossible to believe personally that Porsche would be willing to effectively scrap 3 months or so of 911 production. While they are a SUV company these days, the 30+k 911s sold per annum don't exactly hurt the bottom line at all especially at their profit margins..

Knowing that I have a 991.2 GT3RS "promised" in writing by my GM, it is going to be so awesome to stare at the beast in the garage and dreaming to drive it lol...

Me too, I get first dibs on all GT cars at my dealer, so I am hoping that enough are produced to go to non-918 folks. The big question will be what to trade in: my 991.1 RS which I absolutely love (by far my favorite that I have owned), or my 991.2 GT3 manual? funny, my wife asked me the other day if I really liked my new 991.2 GT3 because I never talk about it; she is quite smart- I haven't really come to love it yet. Need some driving time I think.

This is such fallacy and you got sold by AP. When they wanted to sell people on PDK on the .1 they claimed that the PDK was essential for the engine. What did you want them to say??? They said what they had to in order to sell the Product. Now- with the .2- you do not hear that same language coming out of Porsche any more. The Manual in the .2 is incredible. They certainly made it for this engine. It is quick, precise an the Rev-matching is programmed perfectly. Also - you do not even have to let off the gas when changing gears on the Manual. I am betting that the times between the Manual and PDK are much closer than you think

Jimmy, depending on the skill of the MT driver, I agree times could be close. But don't you find it strange that all the elite performance car manufacturers do not offer MT? If MT maximized performance, they would continue to offer MT. It would be cheaper to manufacture and cut down on R&D. BY not doing so, they are saying "MT has its place....back in history.":cheers:

There is no human being born as of yet who can shift faster than a PDK. :burnout: You are absolutely correct that you'll not see in professional racing a manual transmission at least in this decade. The six speed manual transmission created by Porsche on the 911R is so delicious, by far the best, that it was handed down to the 991.2 GT3 and GT3 touring models, and who knows maybe some more Porsche models down the road. The manual transmission is all about fun and driver engagement. If milliseconds and seconds are important to you and you track a lot, then PDK is the only way to go. This is not to say you can't have fun with PDK as a daily driver, for I know the PDK on my 991 GT3RS is lightning quick. ;)

Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1

I agree Porsche was really marketeering the pdk in the 991.1 GT3 but look what sales have done and look how good the car was at the same time. I call that a win-win. I believe they were being cheap at the time in not fully developing and certifying both cars but I think they didn't believe there was a market demand to justify the cost. But that was 5 years ago now and a lot has changed. The increased demand for more "puristic" driving and less concern with ultimate track and 0-60 times is perfect for manual car demand. I find it funny that this almost seems like it was planned. Build limited R with manual, then comes huge demand for manual and sell said manual as no cost option (win-win).

Right now for NA the build split is almost up to 54% manual. Did anyone at Porsche expect that even with the pent-up demand?

I'll take a pdk RS and a manual GT3 touring please.

Demand was always there.

Rule #1: Know your customer. Combination of Porsche dropping the ball and trying to get out cheap by only building PDK. Positive is they did something about it as opposed to a lot of other car companies that just put their head in the sand. Kudos to them.

I don't think Porsche was cheap when they moved away from manual transmissions, I think they decided to put all their money and resources in the development of the PDK which is still the best DCT on the market.

This happened at a time in which all manufacturers were shying away from MT.

They then realized that there is still a strong demand for MT but rather than following a theoretical approach they released a limited edition manual car, the 911R. This gave them the real world demand.

Porsche knew exactly what they were doing with the R.

Yep ^ Room for both from here on out. They just need to decide on which cars get what. I have had both. Love them both equally for different reasons. I can go either way.

They should fire some sleeping managers time by time

it would wake up the others

Agree with all the statements; I just do not buy that the 991 GT3/RS engine was built to be coupled with PDK. They obviously built a manaul that works great and started with the "R".

Chevy is still putting Manuals in 600 HP plus cars.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...3c1a8608d8.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...a2178612a4.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...ad27ed06a3.jpg

found these shots from a local spotter around Nardò - high speed test track owned by Porsche

looks cool, fairly similar to the .1

as this is the last hurrah for NA should be a cracking car. will be interesting to note where .1 prices land once these are in the wild.

There's different-new front splitter.
Side intakes and front-vents are similar to GT2RS.
Rear bumper are mix of GT3 and GT2RS...

Naked prototype, one week to go till we see it. Pretty good consensus around specs but will be nice to see what we get. Hopefully enough of a bump to merit an upgrade.

Is it me or do the wing end plates look bigger than the .1RS?

I see the end plates are a lot bigger and also different shape than before.

Geneva is just first public showing. Dealer configurators will open 2nd week of Feb.

Exactly what I would have expected especially for a facelift version with limited run left to go (maybe even just months vs yrs of production)

this may/probably is a stupid question....but what are the chances there is a MT option? i am guessing close to zero but very hopeful given the success of the 911R and .2GT3. is it all but official that it will be PDK only?

This: ^^^

Seems to have been 'confirmed' by several folks that raised this query with PAG officials during Daytona 24 this weekend

that's what i figured. thanks for the info from daytona!

My cleaning ladies wouldn't give me much info, but the one thing they all said is PDK only.

think the tran. will be the last problem, seems to be veeeery limited and so tough to get one...in Italy number of allocations around 997 4.0 figures, don't know if representative of global allocations or due to any sort of penalization for our mkt

One dealer told me today that Sweden gets 15 units 991.2 GT3RS. (Could be right, could be wrong but I see it an indication that few will be built)

FWIW: Porsche tells their dealers (at least in Sweden) that the RS-cars are to be given out to people that actually uses the cars.
They want to see the cars on track and in traffic - not in garages or on Mobile.de.
I know that the last definitely is true - allocations has been withdrawn.


Basically Porsche want these cars and their drivers to be ambassadors for the brand.

The new spoiler and bottom bumper part make it look a bit top heavy in the rear. It makes the bottom rear look a bit narrow and not as aggressive. The front looks good though.

Except that Porsche doesn't sell cars directly to customers....I don't see them doing what Ford did for the GT which is really the only way to control it.....otherwise it will go as it always does.....dealers will sell cars to who they want

If I get one, I can promise you that it will be driven and tracked. :D

final spec yet to be released but, if i had a .1, i wouldn't be in a rush to swap into this.

Not in Europe, at least not on my dealer. And all cars will be sold by list price.

I understand that this won't work on the US market but is seems to work over here. Of course there will always be exceptions here to but it is a good intention.

We have the same garage. I absolutely love my 991.1 GT3RS, the best car I have ever owned. Its darn near perfect in my eyes. I'm still coming to grips with my manual GT3.2- I was hoping 10 days of European Alpine driving would be the start of a similar great love affair, but sadly I was the first person to be hit with the ED snafu in early October, so my GT3 has not been driven as much as I would like. I hope that once the weather improves I will enjoy it too.

It will be interesting to see the specs on the new RS, because I will be put into a big dilemma about which car to get rid of. However if the incremental changes improve the RS even more, there is simply no way to pass on getting one! decisions decisions

from a German forum:
German user which is currently in Levi/Finnland (Porsche Driving Experience)

when the embargo is planed to be lifted?
i do have beginning February in my mind for the configurator to go online.

they need a green .2GT3RS already in the snow - because not so much changed compared to the .1GT3RS?
ok for sure just the price will be: +15 till 20% in MSRP i guess.
i know this was cheeky... i don´t get one.
but i own at least (within today market already possible to say) the cheap .1 version of it.
curious what will happen - and what they have changed at the .2.

6th of February (I don't recall where I saw it so no guarantee. I've asked a dealer if the GT3RS will be released next week and he said: Yes)

thank you Kobalt.

you, EST and maybe some others in here do probably have connections to Levi.
pls get some leaks! :)


EDIT: yeah Chris!! :jumper:

:) I'm trying to figure out what you are indicating. Any more clues?

I'll be in Levi next week @ the Porsche centre, might have to have a wonder around this garage ;)

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...584560ffe8.jpg

I don't know about Levi but 6th of February it will be online.

Shmee150 is in Finland now and "test driving" the new Cayenne S from Porsche Center Helsinki to North.
I believe there's might be the bigger reason :confused:

yeah, seems odd to release/debut a track car in Finland during the dead of winter!

+1 very much doubt the RS will be introduced in snow and ice. Must be a SUV announcement.

GTx Cayenne or Macan. Had to be coming, just look at the X5/6M BMWs... ;)

^ That is beyond horrid . After all the pics of the Mission E prototype we've seen for years hopefully there isn't a massive letdown when the production version is shown ; remember the Boxster showcar vs the production car ? The E is wild , but some of the spy shots of the production car only vaguely resemble it . Porsche is setting themselves up for failure if they don't deliver something close to the prototype .

Totally agree with this! I put down a deposit based on the concept car..this thing is hideous!! I want my $ back if the e ends looking like this!!!

Shame all the spy shots don't include the suicide doors. It basically looks like a Panamera with a different front bumper.

This is the Mission E: https://www.motor1.com/news/228765/p...n-e-911-spied/ AND https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/auto...e_side_new.jpg

lets talk about a car that has nothing to do with this thread... Back on topic for my own selfishness!!

Markku Alén and Andreas P are around too. We are staying at the same hotel...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...bbc29a8587.jpg

You guys are incredibly lucky to be in the right place at the right time!

I realize this - I was commenting on possible styling disasters to come and hoping the Mission E lives up to the hype .

How do you know?

^^^ That looks like Quasimodo copulated with an Orca whale! ^^^

Because according to him, he's one of the "deserving faithful"

I don't like it at all. It's so bad that if it's made, it can accelerate depreciation of all other Porsches LOL

Was about to write the same thing, how cool is that. So this event will be press only so embargoed until the 6th?

I am excited about getting a look at this car ..........can nt wait for some proper images :thumbup:

let's hope we will se some pictures before the Feb 6th ...

Very curious to introduce a GT cars at Levi...

Don't they use Cups in the these events too?

But I agree....

I think that LEVI is very Ok to present the new GT3 RS.
They have Cups, 918 and all other Porsche cars there anyway.

The tires on Cups at Levi :)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...238da51455.jpg

source?

i bet ´some people´ will get a PTS .2GT3RS.

Nice, would have liked them now on my lunch break: (This is why I don't do "Experience winter in you Porsche-stuff :) )

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...34e0d7df74.jpg

^^ :D as dessert i guess.

Walter his favourite winter-/offroadtire flavour:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...a68e73c0cf.jpg




ah... ok. now is the picture also here. Kobalt. you really meant the whole tires - not the chocolate bricks on them. :D
good that in Bavaria the sun is shining and no more snow. i am ready for semis. :)

LOL

This is my favourite:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...f73c84320e.jpg

4l
520HP
No manual
No WP
No PTS
New option colour: Lizard green

From the PTS thread:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...8f8628572d.png

Exactly as Frank told me at Daytona one week ago.

Did he mention anything more :) ?

No turbos for GT cars is what he told me. NO manual in RS ever. I directly said "are you serious, 992 GT3 with 3.8 TT?" and he laughed and said not over my dead body. Conflicting info from what others reported. Maybe he meant RS. I also asked about a KERS boost on 992 RS and he also said no. No Formula 1 interest even in light of the continuing of the engine guys building the 2.2 liter twin turbo v-6. Also I asked about 960 in WEC. He said they are waiting on the next set of regulations but agreed the hypercar route for LMP! would attract a lot of manufacturers.

:thumbup:

True, but maybe this is not the complete list?

Can we expect: (?)
Improved calibration of front and rear steering
Improved chassi: Other spring rates, ball joints?
Other under-the-hood-improvments?

WP seems silly to me anyway. And dislike the interior graphics of it even though the performance and lightweight stuff is cool.

I think so...

As a non-Porsche customer is there any chance of ordering a GT3 RS in the US [without a crazy markup]? I would assume not.

IF what above is true regarding the .2 RS; I see very few trading up their current .1 RS because I do not see that much of an upgrade. But- the ADMs will still be stupid because that is the market these days

As a European maybe I should not answer this but from what I've learned on Rennlist the answer is:

No

And in Europe it would be: No (We normally do not have markups but long waiting lists.)

Probably not. You need a pretty strong relationship with your dealer to get one at MSRP. It depends on how many they make though.

If it's only bold new graphics and 20 more hp. I will keep my .1 RS. Who can feel 20hp? I bet there is more variance among the manufactured engines than that.

IF indeed 420hp from the same 4.0 as in the GT3.2 and obviously the aero upgrades, some less-weight benefits. and trim changes since it's an RS after all.... then I would have 2nd thoughts of trading back in my GT3.2 which is an already fantastic car for both street & track.

Looks to me like a perfect spec to make it better enough to be thoroughly satisfying when I can catch and pass them on the track. :)

Thanks that's what I figured.

The key, if not biggest, advantage especially on the track would be the aero/downforce and lighter weight plus some more aggressive suspension components/tuning. That +20hp advantage all of a sudden escalates particularly on a higher-speed road course due to those factors. I'd get one at msrp from my dealer (due to a previous GT4 + GT3.2 at msrp from same dealer) but I think the major question is allocations.

Doesn`t the 991 GT3 RS.1 engine also produce 520HP at speed, because of the air induction?

This. I won't be surprised one bit to see similar spring rates to the GT2RS. This is part of what allows the GT2RS to shine at the track with ridiculous lap times. Sure it will make a bit more power, but the secret sauce is in the setup. Just look at what Manthey created with a stiffer suspension platform, a bit more aero, and slightly stickier tires....this new RS will be a monster. Should run a sub 7 N-ring time.

Anybody that says "I'll pass on the .2 because it only has 25hp more" is a F-ing idiot. This car will take the same leap over the previous RS that the .2 GT3 did over it's predecessor. If it had literally the same HP as before, it would still be worth it. It's not just peak HP that was improved, it's the mid-range improvement, which doesn't show up in magazine stats.

If you've driven a .2GT3, then you already know this car is bloody fast.

991.2 GT3 RS seems to be a money saver for some - but I still want one!

As always with Porsche GT's it is not the numbers that count, it is the driving experience.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't get the new one. New engine likely truly running to 9000 rpm this time, front hood/ducts from GT2, carbon roof?, 20 more hp. Everything will be slightly improved. And I'll be surprised if they don't have a special "one more thing" marketing talking point to get everyone excited. Lots of people complained the .1RS wasn't worth the premium over the GT3 until reviews started and people got to see the car. Then they were +100k.

here is a blown up image of the lizardgrun sample that kobalt posted. looking forward to seeing it on an actual car.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...90984c0b92.png

I guess I am an F-ing idiot then. I currently own a .2GT3MT as well. I don't think it is better than my RS. Just different. Since I normally don't run my car on the ring, and consider that time irrelevant to me, if they just tart it up (English for bold new graphics) I probably won't bother. We will see. On the street 20hp is just bench racing.

I like Lizard Green....so far!

All engines are measured on a engine dyno at 0 kph road speed, so any additional power from ram-air at over 300 kph is not included in power rating. Wouldn't make sense to have different power ratings for each gear...

finally, a standard green for order! would look stunning with PCCBs, black wheels and yellow belts/stitching.

I think I will join you guys and say that I am not planning to trade my .1 to .2 based on what we have heard of the specs for now. BUT wait until the lizard green pictures start coming and the hype comes from the reviews. ;)
I'm sure majority of us will be calling our dealers and offering our wives and kids for an allocation and I will be one of them most likely :thumbsup:

Based on information so far not sure I'd give up a pts .1 for a non-pts .2. But that depends on the standard colors offered.

There must be a bigger hook on the .2 that's not revealed yet.

So true. Rennlist protocol:
1. nah, no reason to upgrade
2. who do I need to kill?

.1RS 4.0 made the cut. Ran in the '15/'16 GT3R. Flawlessly. Has proven to be a very very reliable engine. More so than the Mezger actually. So it doesn't rev to 9000. It revs to 8800. Yawn.

I am still very interested in the .2GT3RS if I can get one at msrp and especially PTS. It will no doubt be faster then the .1 of that we can be certain. Doesn't detract from the fact the .1 is still epic and the fact the better move is always from RS to RS not RS to GT3 imho.

An RS is an RS. Fact.

If you score a .2RS in PTS at MSRP you should load up on lottery tickets as well.

I wonder production run timeline.

Isn't it a bit weird that guys are already making a big fuss of PTS without even knowing what standard and premium colors will be offered?

This is Rennlist.

If they don't make a fuss about anything there won't be any posts.

Just be glad they are not talking about value.

Yet.

Based on the .2 PTS thread, green is the new blue or grey. Lots of green cars coming up, and Porsche noticed with Lizard, an updated Irish green...even the name is 'gotta have it'. lol

It is likely presented before Geneva so we can book tickets and fly to Geneva and watch the car.
If I remember correctly it was done like this with the 991.1RS

Just be glad they are not talking about value.

Yet. :roflmao:

But it comes...

yeah, this sample looks like a lighter irish green. personally, on the RS, i'd prefer gelbgrun, and on a more 'simple' targa or carrera i like the darker greens.

Of course that will come as well the discussion of ADMs where I will roll in and start bashing stealers. haha

interesting. less money i have to spend.
they should make it any other you want as long as it's white

i like it.
but 620hp would be better .

i think that's a plus. on WP is good.

u do know COLOR is everything. we dont care about handling or hp.
afterall, i need to start ordering zegna, lanvin, hermes, celine, loro piano wordrobe to match my PTS. i need to know NOW...

i am glad they intro green... one less confusion for me. i tried to like green, had 4 997RS frogs sold them at 1/2 of what they are worth today.... it made my nearsightedness worse.

ok, lets see some pictures....

This is front splitter from new GT3 RS !?
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...e3d80cfacd.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...e9f55248a9.jpg
Seems that it's too wide from the sides!

https://www.autogespot.nl/porsche-99...ing/2018/02/01

Looks like the front splitter will be easy to retro fit to a .2 GT3 (Non RS).

A bit disappointed with just 20 more HP, not gonna lie.

Best Regards,
Dave

true, 20hp might not sound a lot but w/ lightweightness added and aero magic...should be a hoot

It's seems "plug & play" to GT3/Touring besides it's too wide from the sides.
But from where he got it,the new RS is not even presented yet?

It's always more than a sum of the parts. 20hp but with more torque, more overrev, maybe slightly different gearing could change the car significantly.

Not many opportunities to take out weight beyond what was done for the .1 RS that wouldn't be cost prohibitive. They'll emphasis things like aero and suspension tweaks and added midrange torque. Evolutionary stuff.

Agreed, but with the new 'norm' now 600+ (let alone, let 700hp)... 520 is tough on the straight aways.

I was hoping for 550 to be a meaningful upgrade.

No doubt the car will be AWESOME, but not sure I'll be pushing for an upgrade from my .2 manual...

Best Regards,
Dave

Incrementalism is SOP for Porsche. Good numbers for .1 RS owners, lol. Get a PTS .1 while they're cheap! ;)

I only upgrade when displacement is increased.

lol, true

It's almost certainly not going to be dropping a lot of weight either....

Any pics or info from the guys in Levi?

I like green and warranty.

My guess: 8-speed PDK

Didn't they just "improve" the 7 speed PDK in the .2 GT3?
Maybe similar fine tuning in suspension, clearance for the wheels, RWS, more down force front, better front brake cooling like the GT2RS and some new crap inside?

Ha. I figured you'd be the one to ask.
Cause I'm freezing my balls off after my application was submitted.

Not gonna lie. If it's just another 20 hp I'm disappointed. I was hoping for at least a 30 hp jump minium. If they put the increase at 40 hp that would be huge.

A 20 hp difference and some suspension upgrades and brake cooling can be accomplished aftermarket for much less. I can put GMG or Dundon headers on and easily blow past a 20 hp increase. GMG also makes suspension mods for the track.

Hard to justify all the green going out for 20hp extra.

I gues we will have to wait and see.

But but but it's an RS
Lol

Yeah, but see I already have an RS. That's how it works. :thumbup:
When you step up to an RS you'll understand. :bigbye:

But...PAG told us the 9A1 4.0 was good for 600+hp.
At least give us 30hp extra.

Not really. Everyone just assumes it will be the same sad palette as offered for the 1.2GT3...with perhaps a couple of minor tweaks at best. The big news when the 1.1RS came out was that salmon was newly available. Talk about a let down.

You forgot the bigger news back then, purple.

There will be a white, a yellow, a red, a blue, a black, a silver and perhaps a green. Some people will think it's just 4 colours with 3 shades of grey. Oh they might forget to paint some cars and leave just the primer on, which they called chalk.

^ Is be pretty happy if that turns out to be true and all are accessible. Any idea or hint about what blue?

And love the chalk comment.

How old is Frank again?

It just drives me crazy when I hear comments about how "its not worth it if it's only 25hp more".....as if that's the only difference. As soon as they all see a sub 7 minute ring time, everybody will be having wet-dreams trying to get their hands on the lowly 525hp RS...and then magically nobody cares how much hp it has anymore. Not to mention, the RS is for the track not the street, it's not all peak power that makes it fast. The midrange in the .2GT3 is already strong, so the RS will be even better.

If you're in the market for an RS, the HP number isn't what makes the car, it's the total package. Expecting some huge HP leap within a model designation, 991.1 to 991.2 typically doesn't happens, it's the sum of the parts. Whether it's 20hp more, or 35hp more, the new RS will hand the old one it's azz. That you can count on.

I'm guessing Miami Blue.

Shhhh Mvez - be quiet. With any luck enough people will turn down the car so I will get first in line. You an me know this car is terrific - DO NOT TELL the others... it is our secret.

:)

Funny- car has not even been released with complete details and everyone already bitching. But I do have my popcorn out and will watch this all from my .2.

"A .2 GT3 Manual is a .2 GT3 Manual"

^Lol you re right but
8 speed is 8 speed!

A salmon is a salmon

- only PDK
- new tires
- WP/carbon fiber stuff + wheels similiar to GT2 RS
- front same as 991.2 GT3 with more aggressive black diffusor/frontlip

Rest of the world Delivery of GT2 RS
 

got to know something interesting. good news for the rest of the world not so good for US and European customers. apparently, the new GT2 RS has to be delivered and registered in these markets before the end of June of this year. PAG has not confirmed any orders to any of the dealers outside these markets tell date waiting to see how much they can produce and deliver to these market before they can confirm to the rest of the world. It seems that they would not be able to meet their targets to deliver those cars to those markets in time to meet the emissions regulations in those markets and as a result, the surplus cars will be directed to the rest of the world where these regulations are not yet in effect. It is expected very soon that PAG will inform the dealers for those markets to confirm their orders for the GT2 RS. and deliveries to those markets should start from late summer.

I copied this to the GT2RS thread. Thanks for the info.

in which, section is the 991 gt2 rs thread .....

It is in the same board as the other 991 GT cars:

Here's a direct link to the thread:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...gt2rs-339.html

I am in on the .2 if 2 criteria are met....

1) I can even get one
2) The delta on a trade is my car (no lien) and $25-30K on similarly equipped car....

Given what we've seen with the .2 GT3 I'm not holding my breath.....

If I can get one in "Salmon" again I'm in!!!!!
:thumbup:

Me too! :burnout:

Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1

Love my GT Silver RS, but that Lizard is calling..hopefully an order will come my way.

I am liking the green , I think this what I will go for, but have to see real full car pics first

U expect to trade in a 2-3yr old 200k+ car and get the new version (which will have a higher msrp) for a 25-30k delta :roflmao:

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I owned and love the 991.1rs. I can understand why people are attached to them. Do people REALLY believe the introduction of .2 3rs will drag up .1 rs prices, even with high adm? Seriously? Dump more and better supply of the same car on mkt and prices go up........uh, no?

Not trying to start a fight or hurt anyone's feelings but zero chance.

Waxer loves his .1 RS like his child. If my child wasn't that cute, I would still think he or she is the cutest thing on earth =)

Waxes is a Waxer = :)

Except for my 26,000 mile, driven hard, put away wet, beat and raped RS, I think they will go up again in 2018.
Exactly what happened to the 997.1RS, the .2RS was better in every way, but largely same thing.
Of course the economic cycle will affect everything but If I look what else is out there, I think the GT3 is a solid bottom to lean on and the insane new RS prices will drag the last one up.

Until the Market crash, they will go back up after an initial decline of about 6 months.
Mine will hopefully stay with me forever, so I don't care. I just care what the new ones costs.

LOL - this made me laugh. So true

Nah, could buy a low mile 997.1rs for 90-100k while 997.2rs was introduced. It was the low point. They all climbed together as 991 gt3 was rumored pdk-only AND entire car market pulled everything up. But 997.1rs hit their lows while 997.2rs were already out.

997.1rs has big adms when first introduced. Could buy 997.2rs for msrp all day long. And 7.1rs way under msrp during that time.

Looks like I will not own my .2 3 for long since I have an allocation at msrp (guaranteed, please don't ask how, its just the way it is) from my dealer in which I have a VERY good relationship with. My end goal is to have an RS, so this .2 3RS will be the one I keep for a while.

I type as the DOW is -500, so fingers crossed its -5000 ASAP.

But I think that this time the price increase of new cars is different.
997.1RS was 85K(MSRP $120K) in late 2010-11, after the .2RS came out @ MSRP $132K. By 2013 they were going up, sure along with the economy.

This time the GT3RS is going to be a LOT more before ADM. Just like the .2 GT3 and GT2RS.
My guessing is that the new 991.2GT3RS will be $194K. When the 991.1RS came out ADM was 75-100K over, so that may happen again, unless that -5000 happens.
But even if you can get a .2RS at $200K, it makes the .1RS at MSRP if $175K already look good. I predict a dip for the year $175-$200 (Not mine) for .1RS supported by all those $150-$175K GT3's and $200-$300K .2RS.
in 2019 production stops and the demand > supply.

But what do I know, I bought Bitcoin, American Greed and Dirty Money are my self-schooling.

But waxer has an ugly orange/reddish haired child

@ Trakcar

What do you think about 997.2 RS values?

I just see market having a hard time supporting record production of .1 3, .1 3rs, 2rs, .2 3, .2 3rs, R, speedster and who knows what else. My view is less based on relative value of .1 3rs and more that by end of cycle, demand is relatively the same as it was at start of cycle, only there are 2 full runs of supply and next gen just around the corner. Things never feel as tight s/d as when the first RS of the new gen is released. Think 997.1rs, 991.1rs, next. There's no substitute at that point in time. The first handful of RS that are delivered........that's it! There will be a BIG, big pool of gt/rs to choose from at end of cycle.

what you mean with clunky ? :)
Do you think its impossible that a 997.2 RS is more expensive in 1-2 years than a 991.1 RS?
(997.2 RS last manual RS, last Mezger, last hydraulic steering...)

What do I know but only classics keep going up.
Manuals are back and except for steering feel better in every way.

I'd get a 964RS.

I love red or blue. Cobalt Blue Perhaps? Guard red (First Choice)? Sapphire Blue (Currently Loving)?

not another value thread....

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...ada894b1e8.jpg

.

Agree I am looking for an 993 RS (poster car) and high mileage 964RS to rebuild up to sleeper street machine.

Absolutely....not taking into account an ADM I think I could easily trade my car for $180K on a $210K MSRP car.....

Salmon is one of the cheapest fish by the pound. ADM on Salmon, not.
But but but, it's an RS
An ugly one at that

Agree and I will be swapping my .2GT3 for .1GTRS as my first permanent toy own and not trade-in.

its ok if you cant afford a RS but dont hate on other peoples ride

I can afford an RS, but choose to buy the .2 GT3, 187k build. Not everyone wants an RS over a GT3, different strokes for different folks.

Each and every time, your obtuse reaction to any criticism of the RS/color is AMUSING. But that is to be expected from a New Jousy donkey

While I do not care - it's the last NA engine .1 or .2

If you don't think they will rise it's your opinion but look at the 458 Speciale that's selling above msrp and 430 Scuderia that's 100k off sticker.

The last generation of the NA will hold and rise it's the RS way - PTS add even more don't take my word it's fine but history tends to repeat itself and the RS closes out the NA. When I ordered the Viper ACR everyone said they will be at 100k in 1 year - guess what they are at 200k.

It's like good real estate they can't make more - it's the end of an era of which I am grabbing as many as possible and Porsche has way more customers than production it's the only brand I see with ADM GT cars with LE's selling for 2 - 3 times msrp there is not another brand that has this going on - ever!

You realize this is a car forum - what's the deal with pissing in threads.

The deal is, I was pissed on first, read entire thread. I'm also tired of the ra ra about his RS. Shame on anyone that lets "their child get hooked" AKA getting a certain reaction. Your a little late to the party "pal"
Read the thread

It's a car forum - if you don't like his ra ra what exactly do you think the whole premise of a car forum is.

We all come here to read about owners impressions and experiences - so you don't like his posts because he likes his car too much :)

I'm not late your first post in the thread was negative and you carried the theme just give it a rest.

I could care less if he loves his car. His simple level thinking/posting then an inflexible attitude and belittling the GT3. I know this sounds silly on the surface, but I don't take too kindly to insults. It's funny that you had issues with me about this being a car forum BUT you have posted TWICE and NOTHING about cars. I'm pretty sure you will follow up with a third post and nothing about cars. We are car enthusiasts here, but once disrespected, it becomes more than a car forum.

Oh skittles ... you have been hurt, you have been hurt by somebody, that much is clear.

Who hurt you?

Ur right it sounds silly.

An antagonizing post with zero value. You asked me a question "who hurt me"
Well, your mamma
Or am I supposed to say nothing AFTER you insult me, Na
It's Yo mamma that hurt me.

Right, it is
But
You don't take the time to see who started throwing sh*t first . Right on time a third comment with out anything to do with cars.
Thanks

Could agree on this

Does not help the above.

Lets be respectful to one another. All of us are enthusiasts, and all of us are passionate about our cars.
PEACE:biggulp:

.1RS is NOT a .2RS (official PAG Motorsport RSR engine x speed pdk rpm etc. etc. )

a salmon is a salmon

Finally a voice of reason that doesn't judge or criticize. Agreed again, we are all here for the GT community to learn and have fun. I can try harder, due to your words of wisdom.