911R or GT3 Manual
07-27-2017, 05:36 PM
#46
Honestly, I think it's fantastic, and that's why I have no concerns about mileage, useage etc. I won't be selling. It's slotted straight into my keeper list, and I've added 800km since pic above.
The value thing is done to death on here, but the truth is the R and the GT3(S) are different cars. The GT3 does not replace, or undermine the R in any way, as a car (ignoring 'market fluctuations', real or otherwise).
The R was designed to be different from the GT3(RS) cars, and it does that very well,,given they are all 911s. It's a hot rod, that moves around more, is lighter, more responsive and IMO, much more fun on the road, because its limits are lower. It's noisier, feedback is better and it's less visually obtrusive. It was meant to be a different direction from the GT3, and so it is.
The .2GT3 is an enhancement on previous GT3s, so if anything is further away form the R, not closer to it. A manual box doesn't make all cars the same!
A friend of mine, who posts here,has owned multiple 991 RS, and GT3s, and has just spent many hours in the .2GT3, and confirms it is not like an R, which he also owns
I'm not even going to say one is better than the other - they are different, so it's up to the individual. (I'll admit to thinking if the new engine was in the R, it would be even better, but that doesn't make it any less exciting as a thing on its own merits, just as the new engine hasn't made .1RS suddenly any less of a car).
The value thing is done to death on here, but the truth is the R and the GT3(S) are different cars. The GT3 does not replace, or undermine the R in any way, as a car (ignoring 'market fluctuations', real or otherwise).
The R was designed to be different from the GT3(RS) cars, and it does that very well,,given they are all 911s. It's a hot rod, that moves around more, is lighter, more responsive and IMO, much more fun on the road, because its limits are lower. It's noisier, feedback is better and it's less visually obtrusive. It was meant to be a different direction from the GT3, and so it is.
The .2GT3 is an enhancement on previous GT3s, so if anything is further away form the R, not closer to it. A manual box doesn't make all cars the same!
A friend of mine, who posts here,has owned multiple 991 RS, and GT3s, and has just spent many hours in the .2GT3, and confirms it is not like an R, which he also owns
I'm not even going to say one is better than the other - they are different, so it's up to the individual. (I'll admit to thinking if the new engine was in the R, it would be even better, but that doesn't make it any less exciting as a thing on its own merits, just as the new engine hasn't made .1RS suddenly any less of a car).
07-27-2017, 05:56 PM
#47
Honestly, I think it's fantastic, and that's why I have no concerns about mileage, useage etc. I won't be selling. It's slotted straight into my keeper list, and I've added 800km since pic above.
The value thing is done to death on here, but the truth is the R and the GT3(S) are different cars. The GT3 does not replace, or undermine the R in any way, as a car (ignoring 'market fluctuations', real or otherwise).
The R was designed to be different from the GT3(RS) cars, and it does that very well,,given they are all 911s. It's a hot rod, that moves around more, is lighter, more responsive and IMO, much more fun on the road, because its limits are lower. It's noisier, feedback is better and it's less visually obtrusive. It was meant to be a different direction from the GT3, and so it is.
The .2GT3 is an enhancement on previous GT3s, so if anything is further away form the R, not closer to it. A manual box doesn't make all cars the same!
A friend of mine, who posts here,has owned multiple 991 RS, and GT3s, and has just spent many hours in the .2GT3, and confirms it is not like an R, which he also owns
I'm not even going to say one is better than the other - they are different, so it's up to the individual. (I'll admit to thinking if the new engine was in the R, it would be even better, but that doesn't make it any less exciting as a thing on its own merits, just as the new engine hasn't made .1RS suddenly any less of a car).
The value thing is done to death on here, but the truth is the R and the GT3(S) are different cars. The GT3 does not replace, or undermine the R in any way, as a car (ignoring 'market fluctuations', real or otherwise).
The R was designed to be different from the GT3(RS) cars, and it does that very well,,given they are all 911s. It's a hot rod, that moves around more, is lighter, more responsive and IMO, much more fun on the road, because its limits are lower. It's noisier, feedback is better and it's less visually obtrusive. It was meant to be a different direction from the GT3, and so it is.
The .2GT3 is an enhancement on previous GT3s, so if anything is further away form the R, not closer to it. A manual box doesn't make all cars the same!
A friend of mine, who posts here,has owned multiple 991 RS, and GT3s, and has just spent many hours in the .2GT3, and confirms it is not like an R, which he also owns
I'm not even going to say one is better than the other - they are different, so it's up to the individual. (I'll admit to thinking if the new engine was in the R, it would be even better, but that doesn't make it any less exciting as a thing on its own merits, just as the new engine hasn't made .1RS suddenly any less of a car).
07-28-2017, 04:12 PM
#48
Burning Brakes
07-28-2017, 10:09 PM
#49
Instructor
I think it is a question that will become more and more relevant as real world drivers get their hands on them and potentially the touted touring edition.. . I have and will continue to do so for myself. Focused on a GT2.2 now as its attainable for which the available R's and their premium here in Australia cant be justified....yet. Again personal opinion.
But Im with you, at some point potentially, the price difference will be much closer and so it becomes more relevant when the opportunity/choice is presented.
Ive optioned up a GT3 manual and will be close to $420K AUD. Being honest Id jump on a R if a nice spec got closer to $500+ ish. (may never happen but).. 9 Months ago I would have paid more for one, but now being much closer to the .2, I've lowered what a R is worth to me.
Line up a gt3 and Ill join you at the coffee "play" place one day
But Im with you, at some point potentially, the price difference will be much closer and so it becomes more relevant when the opportunity/choice is presented.
Ive optioned up a GT3 manual and will be close to $420K AUD. Being honest Id jump on a R if a nice spec got closer to $500+ ish. (may never happen but).. 9 Months ago I would have paid more for one, but now being much closer to the .2, I've lowered what a R is worth to me.
Line up a gt3 and Ill join you at the coffee "play" place one day
Exactly where I'm at, allocation confirmed for gt3 manual with delivery early 2018 and I can spec it myself - my first GT car specked how I like and will be a keeper, my last gt3 now gone ended up staying in the family 7.5 years. I would of hung onto it longer if I'd realized how long the new one would take to arrive.
It's worth noting in Australia base price that includes a number of options like lift as standard is AUD357k on the road plus options vs r's on the market for mid 7's. I know the owner of the WA gt silver one, a beautiful car but the delta with a decent spec is a gt4 and change which really puts it in perspective for me
07-29-2017, 02:26 AM
#50
It's worth noting in Australia base price that includes a number of options like lift as standard is AUD357k on the road plus options vs r's on the market for mid 7's. I know the owner of the WA gt silver one, a beautiful car but the delta with a decent spec is a gt4 and change which really puts it in perspective for me
07-31-2017, 06:50 PM
#51
RL Community Team
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08-01-2017, 08:47 AM
#52
Burning Brakes
Great news on your allocation. I think Im similar timing, all depends as I understand when the manuals actually start. These rumours around manual build in September and touring option being announced then, I wonder are coincidence or something more to it. In any case, Im the same, the 997 GT and 50th (rarer in Aus then the R) were as presented for sale and s/hand. This will be the first new delivery and hopefully specced as I like.
Btw, was the silver R of your friends the one now in Sydney / dealers / carsales ? Quite an interesting asking price...
Btw, was the silver R of your friends the one now in Sydney / dealers / carsales ? Quite an interesting asking price...
Exactly where I'm at, allocation confirmed for gt3 manual with delivery early 2018 and I can spec it myself - my first GT car specked how I like and will be a keeper, my last gt3 now gone ended up staying in the family 7.5 years. I would of hung onto it longer if I'd realized how long the new one would take to arrive.
It's worth noting in Australia base price that includes a number of options like lift as standard is AUD357k on the road plus options vs r's on the market for mid 7's. I know the owner of the WA gt silver one, a beautiful car but the delta with a decent spec is a gt4 and change which really puts it in perspective for me
It's worth noting in Australia base price that includes a number of options like lift as standard is AUD357k on the road plus options vs r's on the market for mid 7's. I know the owner of the WA gt silver one, a beautiful car but the delta with a decent spec is a gt4 and change which really puts it in perspective for me
08-01-2017, 05:02 PM
#53
08-02-2017, 09:27 AM
#54
Burning Brakes
08-02-2017, 11:28 AM
#55
Instructor
Great news on your allocation. I think Im similar timing, all depends as I understand when the manuals actually start. These rumours around manual build in September and touring option being announced then, I wonder are coincidence or something more to it. In any case, Im the same, the 997 GT and 50th (rarer in Aus then the R) were as presented for sale and s/hand. This will be the first new delivery and hopefully specced as I like.
Btw, was the silver R of your friends the one now in Sydney / dealers / carsales ? Quite an interesting asking price...
Btw, was the silver R of your friends the one now in Sydney / dealers / carsales ? Quite an interesting asking price...