RealityGT

hahahaha

jmh981

I see no GT2 *confirmation* for this year anywhere in this thread....

unotaz

50K of option is nothing on the GT cars (eg. lift system, various carbon fiber options). Look at the GT3RS, just the standard options alone on the configurator was more than 50K, and let's not forget CXXs.

robmypro

Maybe the 991 ends with a GT3 RS 4.2 w/manual? Something big has to be in the works.

991.1 GT3
991.1 GT3 RS
991.2 GT3
991.2 GT3 RS
991.2 GT3 RS 4.2

Throw in a GT2 and GT2 RS and call it a day.

ilko

Something special (wouldn't call it "big") is indeed in the works. Nobody has even come close to it so far in this thread...

Drifting

european emission rules will tighten again in 2021 which allows enough time for NA 991.2 RS.

I think we'll see a NA 991.2RS, PDK-only with 4.0L NA engine and 530hp.

We won't see a mid-engine placement in a facelift model of the .2 RS, but I'd say anything is possible for the all new 992 generation.

Brosef

agreed. the 4.0 clearly has more in it - I think a higher redline and other tweaks should be good for an extra 15+ horses.

something I haven't seen discussed much is the power the 4.0L in the 991.2 GT3 will make. I'm willing to bet that it will put down more power than the outgoing RS, despite both being rated at an even 500hp. we know from AP that the valvetrain changes are good for ~8hp, so an engine with the same displacement, reduced parasitic losses from the valvetrain (i.e. the 8hp), a higher redline and, perhaps most importantly, making power comparatively higher in the rev range should all contribute to a more powerful engine than the RS (even if Porsche chooses to rate them the same). am I missing something?

Jimmy-D

^It will be faster and that is why when the .2RS comes out every one will line up for it- a vicious cycle

signes

Not sure what you mean by faster - straight line? Yes. Road course, not likely. Same power as RS, much less downforce (offset by lower drag), and likely less grip, although will need to see how the tires perform. Can't recall what AP said, could be a major factor.

Will be close but I'd expect PDK to PDK that the RS should edge out the GT3. Looking forward to seeing how it shakes out, and how they move the bar forward with the next RS.

Jimmy-D

Could be mid-engine w/ 525 plus horses . How would that be for farewell to the NA on the RS??

Brosef

my point was that the 991.2 GT3 will have MORE power than the RS, despite the same advertised power.

signes

Was responding to Jimmy re: faster, got what you were saying. Worth noting that AP made the same comment about the RS at its launch, underrated motor at rest plus ram effect. Speaking to CAR Mag in 2015:

"We wanted the RS to be more track performing, to up it a little, and the 500bhp is not the real data of this engine, which is kind of normal for GT cars, we have to homologate the engines way before the start of production, and we always find something else in the process, so it’s 500 on paper but a good deal more in the real world. But I like to be humble about that. ... 510, 515bhp, something like that. There are other companies that are always taking the 2% rule and upping it because that’s allowed by the government, but we don’t do that. Maybe we’re stupid, but I don’t want to. We always have a little more."

He also said the ram effect was greater with the turbo body than intakes on the engine cover could generate. Can't wait to see how they perform outside the lab...

drdonger

AP already said the 991.2 GT3 should run a sub 7:20, which is faster than the current RS.

EST

RS 7:20 - I think this is not "official" time (driver unknown, wet track)
Or is there some kind of proof ?

signes

AP:

"But sure it will be quicker than the gen one it was our own drivers managed 7min 25sec with the old one. It's very hard to make a statement here with that one but I think it will be shy of 7:20."

No proof of either time, and yes, heard the same thing re: RS time and damp track. I don't really care either way, just struggle to see the .2GT3 beat the RS barring a huge step in tires (which is possible.)