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Angiko

Hi guys, may I ask why nobody goes for PCCB disks refurbishment?
I found online a couple of companies which offers this kind of service, such as ReBrake

drdonger

qbix

Ritesh

Good Stuff! Thx Trakcar and SDDavid!

ipse dixit

CAlexio

This is what we're told within our somewhat incestuous information cauldron, but do we know this for a fact? It would be interesting to learn more, possibly talk to customers with experience.. maybe we're missing something here.

TRAKCAR

PCCB's can't be refurbished.

ST can and have been.
There are a few at Sebring that have gone through one refurb at least, maybe two.

But it takes about 20 track days before the fronts need it, so it takes time. I'm day 13.

It should take about 80-100 track days to finish off the fronts, seems like. I can see the first wear but not enough to ship them off the the UK yet. And here locally they have loaners for the couple of weeks that is takes to do. I will Post here to share that experience within a few more track weekends.

But it rains here non stop and next weekend I maybe in sfo for some canyon driving. As soon as my car is serviced I need to ship it somewhere dryer and cooler..

Angiko

Thanks all for your feedback.
I had an allocation for a .2 GT3RS and i'm wondering if could be worth to spec it PCCB's (in my heart i really want to). The car is going to be used by me and my brother and since we are planning to track it 10-12 times a year I'm consuming my self over this Hamlet-like question: PCCB or not PCCB..
I already spent hours reading older PCCB threads and I haven't found a post talking about those companies who claims to be able to refurbish OEM CCB disks. Since a owning period of a 3-4 of years could cost more than a couple of dozens K$ just in brake maintenance, I'm trying to figure out which could be the best performance\cost\self-rewarding solution among those that are already abundantly discussed.
Of course if Rebrake (or similar) can demonstrate to actually do an effective and reliable refurbishment, I think we can stop striving. That's why i'm trying to contact them, to ask if they already have done multiple Porsche OEM refurbishment and how they went.

shaytun

Just another thought as well for those deciding to order PCCB vs Iron on the initial configuration. If you swap either to the ST ceramics, is there any benefit to having the larger calipers from the PCCB's? Bigger brake pads? Sorry, I'm a novice to all things technical.

Autoquest Motorsport

Very happy to hear you guys are enjoying them so far! : )

You need to be Very cautious with the PCCB "refurbishments". There are two main causes for replacement on conventional carbon ceramic rotors made by Brembo and SGL (PCCB), wear on the surface layer and carbon oxidation throughout the core of the rotor. This carbon oxidation is the key factor, as loss of carbon throughout the core of the rotor causes a decrease in it's structural integrity throughout it's lifetime. This is why PCCB rotors are weighed or measured for carbon content to determine replacement. It is not possible to add carbon content back into a rotor. Therefore, all those companies are doing is refreshing the surface layer of the rotor for continued use, on a rotor that could very well be structurally unsound if they haven't been measured/weighed.

ST rotors are manufactured very different from the conventional carbon ceramic rotors. They are made out of layers upon layers of interwoven carbon cloth, instead of discontinuous bits of carbon. This basic difference (among several other variables) limits the carbon oxidation to the face of the ST rotors, which maintains the core strength of the rotor and allows it to be truly and safely refurbished throughout it's life.

Angiko if you are planning to track the car 10-12 times a year you should strongly consider saving the $9k option for the PCCBs and putting it towards the ST rotors. It is what all of the guys we work with have done on their builds. As explained above, when PCCB's reach their limit on carbon loss there is no saving them and you are out about $25k. If you save the $9k on the PCCB's and opt for the $13k ST rotors, the extra funds are offset at the first refurbishment. Instead of spending about $6000 per rotor to replace the PCCB's, you are spending about $600 per rotor to refurbish the ST's. These savings are compounded over time as you refurbish the ST rotors multiple times, versus tossing the PCCB rotors when they are done and having to spend $25k again and again. The cherry on top is that you can offset the initial costs of running ST rotors instead of PCCBs, as the factory cast iron rotors retail for about $4k a set and you can sell those if you wish. Therefore, your investment in the ST rotors would come out to be about the same as PCCBs and you have the tried and proven refurbishable ST carbon ceramic rotors that also have the additional benefits over PCCBs of better brake modulation/trailbraking, more aggressive pad options, longer pad life, cooler operating temperatures, etc. It is the logical choice. And if you want yellow calipers you can always have your red ones powdercoated yellow as we have done on several of our builds haha.

The red and yellow calipers from factory are the same calipers, the yellow are simply spaced out in the casting to accommodate the larger rotor diameter. When you swap to the ST rotors and space out the red calipers, you will simply use the same pad shape as the factory yellow calipers as they are the same caliper and now spaced out the same. For your reference the pad shape on the rear red and yellow calipers are the same from factory, it is just the front that differs slightly by fitting a wider pad to take advantage of the larger surface area of the ceramics.

mwar99

Getting mine out on tomorrow and can't wait to see what they are like after they get bedded in.

s4corrado996tt

Thanks for sharing such valuable info!
Btw, is there any weight differences between PCCB and CCB rotors?

qbix

There is plenty on FerrariChat "experiences" of their customers.

Autoquest Motorsport

Looking forward to hearing your impressions Mike : )

Negligible difference between the weights of the PCCB and ST rotors, you wouldn't be able to feel a difference. We have a new scale coming in the near future and will do a comparison, but the last time we did it the difference was in ounces : )