Ridiculous... Lava Orange GT3 (Non-RS) 43k over.
12-31-2015, 08:02 PM
#32
Just to make it clear, I already own a 2014 GT3 in white. Lava is what grabbed me and I'm mad I didn't get my RS allocation. Just angers me that these stealerships try and justify this. The salesman basically treated me like I was an idiot for offering what I did.
I think I'm just going to find a new hobby. Maybe guns or boats.
I think I'm just going to find a new hobby. Maybe guns or boats.
12-31-2015, 08:25 PM
#33
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12-31-2015, 08:56 PM
#34
Rennlist Member
01-01-2016, 12:59 AM
#36
More so than the McLaren MP4-12C. McLaren shot themselves in the foot with keeping the value of that model with releasing cars in the same class. They really needed to make a line of cars that are very different and at different price points. Their strategy could have been much different with making high quality lower price point cars. But their strategy is more inline with Ferrari's. Which makes me wonder when will McLaren come out with a front engine 12 Cylinder Grand Tourer to compete with the F12 Berlinetta?
I have heard that BOAT stands for Bust Out Another Thousand...
01-01-2016, 01:35 AM
#38
Rennlist Member
Wait until the 991.2 GT3/RS variants and all the .1 speculators start receiving haircuts. Trust me. It's coming.
01-01-2016, 01:50 AM
#40
Burning Brakes
Everybody knows the market is crazy at the moment.
But a mint 20 year old 993tt is still not selling at original MSRP. A super low mile, bubble wrapped could be at MSRP.
997.3 is still below MSRP. Less produced than 991gt3.
So if someone is trying to sell you a 991gt3 over MSRP and motivating it by saying it's an investment. RUN!
If you feel the car is worth the premium. Just buy and enjoy it.
But a mint 20 year old 993tt is still not selling at original MSRP. A super low mile, bubble wrapped could be at MSRP.
997.3 is still below MSRP. Less produced than 991gt3.
So if someone is trying to sell you a 991gt3 over MSRP and motivating it by saying it's an investment. RUN!
If you feel the car is worth the premium. Just buy and enjoy it.
I sure hope so!!! I'd love to see all the people who bought 3/RS's get burned by those. That may sound mean, but I look at it as, they've fed into the frenzy which has caused dealers to become this way. Like people have said previously, neither PAG nor PCNA make any extra money from these dealers who are charging astronomical markups. So if Porsche wants a piece of that pie, just up the MSRP a little and make a bunch more of them so people who all want one, get one and Porsche themselves makes more money per unit while the dealers don't get in on that pie other than their small piece that they get by providing the car to the customer at MSRP. Which is still plenty, or they'd be out of business a long time ago.
01-01-2016, 02:04 AM
#41
Exactly what happened to the people who absolutely needed the 997.2 GT3RS and overpaid for them, nothing like we are seeing at the moment with current premiums. But the following year Porsche just kept on pumping them out then when the RS4.0 hit the scene those who could afford the premium on the 4.0 dumped their RS's and those who didn't want an RS4.0 or can't afford one, and the glut of RS's Porsche kept on building led a lot of RS owner's to that proverbial Barber Shop's for their haircuts.
Last edited by The New 911; 01-01-2016 at 11:22 AM. Reason: Could to Can't.
01-01-2016, 02:22 AM
#42
Drifting
01-01-2016, 11:16 AM
#43
993TT's are going for double MSRP for really good ones, I don't know what you're talking about. MSRP was about 120k for the 993TT's. The ultra rare 993TTS's are going fore insane money nearly 3x's MSRP of what they were new. I will agree with you about your statement though about running if a dealer tell's you it's an investment lol I sure hope so!!! I'd love to see all the people who bought 3/RS's get burned by those. That may sound mean, but I look at it as, they've fed into the frenzy which has caused dealers to become this way. Like people have said previously, neither PAG nor PCNA make any extra money from these dealers who are charging astronomical markups. So if Porsche wants a piece of that pie, just up the MSRP a little and make a bunch more of them so people who all want one, get one and Porsche themselves makes more money per unit while the dealers don't get in on that pie other than their small piece that they get by providing the car to the customer at MSRP. Which is still plenty, or they'd be out of business a long time ago.
Not sure if you are talking about super rare 993tts or regular 993tt? But a regular 993tt will probably be mor similar to 991rs in production numbers.
And a low mile >50k 993tt is pretty much around $120-140k today. The ones that are asking more are sitting on them.
A bubble wrapped 993tt with 10k miles is obviously more.
And not really fair to compare it against a 993TTS that is produced in 180 units for the Us market.
However it was just an example to try to balance the discussion and hopefully not to
many Rennlisters get burned by these dealers.
01-01-2016, 12:15 PM
#44
Spot on 4.0. The higher mileage cars sit in the rough estimate of what you appraised. But even at that a PPI is an ABSOLUTE must for these older cars with care of observing if the Turbo's are in good running condition. As for the forced induction is an expensive undertaking to fix or replace. The Mechanics tell me that the older turbos are more of a pain to work on compared to the more thought out and updated designs of today's engines. I guess with the last few iterations they have taken the older Mr Porsches' Idiom of simple design. That is why they won't work on the 993, at Sharkwerks, and down in general since their workload is pretty heavy with the newer cars and conversions.
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01-01-2016, 05:04 PM
#45
When I was looking for a 2016 GT3, I was offered 3 cars all for offer 50k, I asked all 3 of them if this was a joke. Circle porsche (long beach) is the only who was not charging over msrp for anything, but never have any allocations. There are many used low mileage gt3s. I was lucky to get a fully loaded used 2015 at my price point. I could swallow 20k, but 50k is ridiculous.