some 991.2 tidbits
07-10-2015, 10:55 PM
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Doesn't seem like the engine debacles are over with all of the misfire-induced engine replacements going on around here.
07-11-2015, 10:26 AM
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It's a twin turbo. One for each bank.
China is Porsches 2nd largest market. Audi, BMW and others even make China specific versions of their mainstream cars. For example, the A4, A6 and 3er BMW all have significantly longer wheels bases with stretched doors. That's how important the China market is to the manufacturers.
China is Porsches 2nd largest market. Audi, BMW and others even make China specific versions of their mainstream cars. For example, the A4, A6 and 3er BMW all have significantly longer wheels bases with stretched doors. That's how important the China market is to the manufacturers.
Remember all of this is purely speculation and when I say I hope Porsche does do the twin turbo on every car because, besides cost, the consumer and modifyer (new word) would win - I'm on your side with the twin turbo for every boy issue.
As for the stretching of the other car maker's that has a two fold effect. Of course China with their prestige issue and the Federal 2020 CAFE requirement's. But that is for another discussion thread.
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07-11-2015, 10:33 AM
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some 991.2 tidbits
MSRP will go up.
They did the turbo "downgrade" on the Cayenne and Panamera already. Probably good to look there for information.
Forget the high revving screaming and great NA soundtrack.
They're doing this for political reasons (and legislation passed) for the farce known as global warming. Car manufacturers are at the mercy of laws being imposed upon them in the countries they sell in. USA, Germany, China, all the same stuff.. In reality, these turbo engines do nothing to reduce emissions unless you drive like a grandma and never surpass 30mph. It's just "feel good" politics.
They did the turbo "downgrade" on the Cayenne and Panamera already. Probably good to look there for information.
Forget the high revving screaming and great NA soundtrack.
They're doing this for political reasons (and legislation passed) for the farce known as global warming. Car manufacturers are at the mercy of laws being imposed upon them in the countries they sell in. USA, Germany, China, all the same stuff.. In reality, these turbo engines do nothing to reduce emissions unless you drive like a grandma and never surpass 30mph. It's just "feel good" politics.
07-11-2015, 11:05 AM
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I know they made the Panamera a 400BHP V6 but I didn't know they did it to the Pepper too. I would want a V8 in the Cayenne because of the additional torque - and would still rather have a V8 in a Panamera if one was in my future.
07-11-2015, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Tacet-Conundrum
I know they made the Panamera a 400BHP V6 but I didn't know they did it to the Pepper too. I would want a V8 in the Cayenne because of the additional torque - and would still rather have a V8 in a Panamera if one was in my future.
07-11-2015, 05:56 PM
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some 991.2 tidbits
They're doing this for political reasons (and legislation passed) for the farce known as global warming. Car manufacturers are at the mercy of laws being imposed upon them in the countries they sell in. USA, Germany, China, all the same stuff.. In reality, these turbo engines do nothing to reduce emissions unless you drive like a grandma and never surpass 30mph. It's just "feel good" politics.[/quote]
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07-11-2015, 06:41 PM
#67
So will they debut the 991.2 GT3 next spring or the spring of 2017 for delivery in the fall of that year?
07-11-2015, 07:29 PM
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07-11-2015, 10:26 PM
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07-11-2015, 10:30 PM
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I'm curious if the .2 GT3 will be worth trading my .1GT3 for (if I can get a PTS then it would be). 
07-11-2015, 10:54 PM
#71
Porsche is going to spend a significant amount of capital on marketing why the 911 Turbos engines are the best ever in the 911 starting in Sep 2015.
I really can't see them either undermining or changing that message in March 2016 for a N/A GT3. It'll be a GT2, maybe a GT3 later in life after they've sold people on the turbo message, the GT3 product will represent about 3% of total 991.2 sales of the product life cycle. You want to be 100% certain you've sold the turbo story to the market before trying to change it for such an insignificant product in dollar terms.
I really can't see them either undermining or changing that message in March 2016 for a N/A GT3. It'll be a GT2, maybe a GT3 later in life after they've sold people on the turbo message, the GT3 product will represent about 3% of total 991.2 sales of the product life cycle. You want to be 100% certain you've sold the turbo story to the market before trying to change it for such an insignificant product in dollar terms.
07-11-2015, 11:02 PM
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Yes ^^^^^ well said NateOZ
Another GT3 won't be around for quite a while! It's rotation in the "product cycle" is a ways off again.
There are many other stories to be told before that chapter is rewritten. They won't emphasize the NA, but probably a manual GT3 then.
Another GT3 won't be around for quite a while! It's rotation in the "product cycle" is a ways off again.
There are many other stories to be told before that chapter is rewritten. They won't emphasize the NA, but probably a manual GT3 then.
07-11-2015, 11:23 PM
#73
Whether the 991.2 debuts in Spring of 2016 or 2017 it's all the same for me. I'll enjoy my .1GT3 until then. 
07-12-2015, 03:06 AM
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I understand that at the moment there is a turbo for each side of the TT's engine. But in order to keep cost down when every car is coming out being born as a Turbo Porsche can make a single turbo work. I mean how much Margin internally would Porsche lose if they had to put Twin Turbo's on every 911? It's just the former accounting major in me taking over my thought's on this idea. And if Porsche were to pass the cost of a twin turbo design along to the dealer then ultimately the consumer... Sure economies of scale would work into that equation somewhat but how much more would the base price go up; almost $10K or more?
Remember all of this is purely speculation and when I say I hope Porsche does do the twin turbo on every car because, besides cost, the consumer and modifyer (new word) would win - I'm on your side with the twin turbo for every boy issue.
As for the stretching of the other car maker's that has a two fold effect. Of course China with their prestige issue and the Federal 2020 CAFE requirement's. But that is for another discussion thread.
Remember all of this is purely speculation and when I say I hope Porsche does do the twin turbo on every car because, besides cost, the consumer and modifyer (new word) would win - I'm on your side with the twin turbo for every boy issue.
As for the stretching of the other car maker's that has a two fold effect. Of course China with their prestige issue and the Federal 2020 CAFE requirement's. But that is for another discussion thread.
07-12-2015, 04:28 AM
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Most people won't care that the 911 will be turbocharged. In fact most will see it as a plus after the first round of reviews. I know how this will go since the automotive journalists are in the hands of the manufacturers. "New 911 faster than Gt3 in xx range using 20% less fuel than the car it replaces" " incredible midrange" "Porsche have done the impossible, virtually no turbo lag" "the sound sounds nearly as good with the new sport exhaust". And voilà. Sales through the roof and the only people who will mourn are people like us who hang out on forums like these.