McLaren 570s MSRP'ing at $185,900.
04-14-2015, 10:31 PM
#61
I didn't take any picts of the 570S as I was too distracted, I didn't like the orange one as much as the silver but here's a couple of bonus shots of the P1 GTR, mint F1 (worth $20m to $25m) and 675LT engine bay. Sadly no Lexan for the US will take away some cool design features on the 675.
P1 GTR:
P1 Int:
675LT Engine Bay:
F1:
04-14-2015, 10:47 PM
#63
04-14-2015, 11:26 PM
#65
Lol - Based on your posts, it seems you're less happy since you sold your GT3. I think you should sell the Lambo while you can and get back into a GT3.
I also don't know where I said I have an expansive collection? I've only 3 cars at the moment, been selling while values are high and I might still sell my 991 3 and be at 2. I have a few different cars I'm after, but only 1 order is confirmed and locked in.
I spent a lot of time pondering the 675LT but the depreciation uncertainty kept me away - it'll probably turn out to be a big mistake knowing my car buying/sell luck but who knows...
I also don't know where I said I have an expansive collection? I've only 3 cars at the moment, been selling while values are high and I might still sell my 991 3 and be at 2. I have a few different cars I'm after, but only 1 order is confirmed and locked in.
I spent a lot of time pondering the 675LT but the depreciation uncertainty kept me away - it'll probably turn out to be a big mistake knowing my car buying/sell luck but who knows...
04-14-2015, 11:29 PM
#66
Lol - Based on your posts, it seems you're less happy since you sold your GT3. I think you should sell the Lambo while you can and get back into a GT3.
I also don't know where I said I have an expansive collection? I've only 3 cars at the moment, been selling while values are high and I might still sell my 991 3 and be at 2. I have a few different cars I'm after, but only 1 order is confirmed and locked in.
I spent a lot of time pondering the 675LT but the depreciation uncertainty kept me away - it'll probably turn out to be a big mistake knowing my car buying/sell luck but who knows...
I also don't know where I said I have an expansive collection? I've only 3 cars at the moment, been selling while values are high and I might still sell my 991 3 and be at 2. I have a few different cars I'm after, but only 1 order is confirmed and locked in.
I spent a lot of time pondering the 675LT but the depreciation uncertainty kept me away - it'll probably turn out to be a big mistake knowing my car buying/sell luck but who knows...
The difference is I enjoyed the GT3 (and would never bash), but Lambo fits my lifestyle better and I use it 10x more than I ever did GT3--that's it.
Have 500 miles in 4 days on Huracan (city driving). GT3 had 1200 miles in 3 months.
Hey RS is incoming so try it again...bottom line GT3 is amazing, no haters here.
But also OWNED both and that is the difference. I learned long ago, don't try and convert people from one brand to another. Hence I appreciate the GT3 as I owned one.
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04-14-2015, 11:30 PM
#67
In three to five years you will be able to buy one of those MP4-12C for $50K if the depreciation curve keeps up like a Mercedes.
Also A 12C might Do the the trick against a new Turbo Porsche S on a Track. But get them on the street there aint no way that McLaren was made for driving in and out of highway and street traffic. Besides it still remains to be seen if the McLaren will hold up to the Tune-Up Blues that Ferrari's go though. Remember McLaren took a sizable chunk of Ferrari employees when they decided to go selling cars.
But saying the 12C will blow the doors off a TTS 0 to 60, is A mighty bold statement of words. Though I ill admit we will leave the track days to the GT3 and GT3RS. Hell McLaren's F1 got the drop on the Bugatti Veyron when BBC TopGear tested them in Dubai- and that was past 60. The F1 McLaren is a car that should be held in high esteem and sell for between $6MM and $8MM and more. Those versions aren't falling like rocks.
In 18 months you will be seeing adds for Mclaren 575s for $69K OBO.
And performance has nothing to do with Valuationu
Also A 12C might Do the the trick against a new Turbo Porsche S on a Track. But get them on the street there aint no way that McLaren was made for driving in and out of highway and street traffic. Besides it still remains to be seen if the McLaren will hold up to the Tune-Up Blues that Ferrari's go though. Remember McLaren took a sizable chunk of Ferrari employees when they decided to go selling cars.
But saying the 12C will blow the doors off a TTS 0 to 60, is A mighty bold statement of words. Though I ill admit we will leave the track days to the GT3 and GT3RS. Hell McLaren's F1 got the drop on the Bugatti Veyron when BBC TopGear tested them in Dubai- and that was past 60. The F1 McLaren is a car that should be held in high esteem and sell for between $6MM and $8MM and more. Those versions aren't falling like rocks.
In 18 months you will be seeing adds for Mclaren 575s for $69K OBO.
And performance has nothing to do with Valuationu
04-14-2015, 11:34 PM
#69
LOL
I enjoyed my 5 Lapss in the 12C at the track with exotics racing in Vegas a few years ago. I came back a year later, and they were still tracking all Porsches, even all the Ferrari and Lamborghini models, but they stopped offering the McLaren because it broke down too much with regular track use.
That says a lot to me. Fun street car, but sadly not engineered to hold up to regular track work.
I enjoyed my 5 Lapss in the 12C at the track with exotics racing in Vegas a few years ago. I came back a year later, and they were still tracking all Porsches, even all the Ferrari and Lamborghini models, but they stopped offering the McLaren because it broke down too much with regular track use.
That says a lot to me. Fun street car, but sadly not engineered to hold up to regular track work.
04-14-2015, 11:43 PM
#70
I recently put Pirelli Trefeo Rs on the 12C and look forward to seeing how it does.
On the other hand, I am expecting to break 1:20 in the new GT3, and will be disappointed if I don't
Both fantastic cars and I may have to part with one before year end. That will be a huge First World Problem
04-14-2015, 11:50 PM
#71
LMFAO. Quite the opposite...I love the Lambo. GT3 stayed in garage because not a perfect daily, Huracan is perfect for that. Track I don't know, haven't taken Lambo out yet. GT3 is killer for that.
The difference is I love the GT3 (and would never bash), but Lambo fits my lifestyle better and I use it 10x more than I ever did GT3--that's it.
Have 500 miles in 4 days. GT3 had 1200 miles in 3 months.
Hey RS is incoming so try it again...bottom line GT3 is amazing, no haters here.
But also OWNED both and that is the difference.
The difference is I love the GT3 (and would never bash), but Lambo fits my lifestyle better and I use it 10x more than I ever did GT3--that's it.
Have 500 miles in 4 days. GT3 had 1200 miles in 3 months.
Hey RS is incoming so try it again...bottom line GT3 is amazing, no haters here.
But also OWNED both and that is the difference.
I think the 570S is going to compare pretty favorably to the 991 TTS. It's lighter, more power, RWD rather than AWD etc. It's speculation as I've only looked over one, but the TTS isn't exactly a master of short-term resale values either. 570S is 500 lbs lighter, 15% more torque, similar hp.
I'm a big fan of McLaren from F1 (I was also born in the same city as Bruce McLaren), so I follow what they're doing. But I just can't get over the hump to pick one up. I got close on the 675LT, but in my 24 hours of indecision my local dealer's spots were all taken prior to launch.
04-15-2015, 12:27 AM
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However, I hear very bad things about track durability and quality of track braking compared to GT3/RS from multiple McLaren owners.
Again, I think McLaren makes a a fantastic road car, and a real competitor to 911 turbo, R8, 458/488, Lamborghini, etc...
But no competition to a GT3/RS for an actual track car you can flog regularly, without fear of overheating, or component rupture/breakdown
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04-15-2015, 08:46 AM
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I used to be a Porsche-only guy, but am now a big fan of McLaren (though I have a Lamborghini). The 540 and 570 are fantastic products, and are going to force Porsche to up their game in this price range.
04-15-2015, 11:31 AM
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Underpowered? The Turbo Porsche's have more than enough power since they loose very little power through the powertrain. Years of evolution and perfecting the 911 have people "Paying more for less". There is a lot more to this discussion than I care to get involved with. But let let me state I, Absolutely, Love McLaren and their offerings. I don't feel that the 12C has hit the bottom of it's depreciation curve. But it's still one helluva performer. Wish I had one like in High Skewl when I wish I had that F1 McLaren. And to think back then it would still throw you back $500K for a new Mc F1. Even though it's been about 20 years it has turned out to be one hell of an investment.
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04-16-2015, 09:25 AM
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I hope most of us can figure out my mis-calculations. I'm just baffled at how much the McLaren's, well 12C, Have fallen in value. Good thing we don't live in the English market where car values drop so fast and stay low it's crazy. That and you have to pay the car Crushers to take the vehicles off your hands, they don't pay you.