NateOZ

I'm not an expert in the Lambo market and never even been to a dealership - they just don't appeal to me.

I don't have any pictures on my cars as I don't own anything other than minichamp models. I ride a purple Vespa with a carrera decal on it - I'm upset you figured out my false fantasy life!

Keith Verges - Dallas

I don't keep my ear to the ground, but that surprises me. I've seen low mileage ask prices of $160K for coupes of late, lowest ask I've seen for even an 18K mile car was about $155K. I suspect transaction prices can be $150K or less, though. $130K I've never heard of, but I might believe it for an odd spec, really high miles or stories.

But going back to the 570S, I don't know that it will draw sales from 911 GT cars, but I bet it does for 911 Turbos.

Dr.Bill

Had a 12C for a while once they dropped to half price. Was thrilled to get rid of it with minimal loss. Won't ever consider another McLaren at any price.

NateOZ

My local dealer (Miller) has had a new/demo 12c deal at $2700/month for a while now. That's probably the same as or lower than TTS money.

Keith Verges - Dallas

Why?

ghostryder

That"s too bad, because a 2012 12c will blow the doors of a 2015 911 turbo s. The only negative anyone ever has to say about a 12c or macs in general, is the depreciation of the cars. As far as ride, performance and that amazing hydraulic suspension, there is no substitute in the Porsche line up right now.

TRAKCAR

^^ Yeah, great soft ride and very fast on track for a few laps, but that AAA flatbed ride home is pretty bumpy.
I'd totally get it as a panty dropper over a Lambo, but for track use not so much.

Tacet-Conundrum

Name is Auggie, or Augostino. Also have a black and white wire haired femail Chihuahua who was put on God's Green earth to be Auggie's life long companion. I never seen two dogs in so much love. But Auggie has been snipped and lola still needs to get tube's tide. Either way no off spring.

Porsche raising the prices for the past 5-7 years On the 911 has unfortunatelty caused the "More Expensive 911's" like the Turbo's and RS to go head to head with other Marques that it might not have done some years ago..for example you could get a 2008/9 Turbo Bespoked to your liking brand new for around and less than $150K-$145K. Now the Turbo That I have designed in the configurator. Just like Burger King, if I want it the way I want it - all Leather Options except the AC and it's Slat's. One of the most ridiculous prices out there. Wish they would offer, Porsche, a one size fits all options. As opposed to just screwing over their customers.

Keith Verges - Dallas

Well this is a Porsche forum, so no love for the McLaren, but I sure do like mine and think there is a bit of hyperbole and ignorance about the 12C. The GT3 is not exactly flawless - I had to drive around Europe with the tire pressure warning light and inability to read tire pressures in my new car. Maybe it was user error, but I studied the manual and could only see dashes on all 4 corners when looking at the tire pressure status page.

Later this year when the GT3 is stateside, I'll do a back to back comparison with the 12C including AiM Solo data in each car and we shall see. I do expect the GT3 to do better on track in terms of temperatures and probably brakes, but then again it's easier to cool 475 than 616 hp. Lap times will be interesting, as Porsche always amazes and does better than basic statistics indicate.

kyrocks

I really don't care what people say or think about the McLaren. Mine is so fun to drive and I've had no issues. That's what important to me.

MM3.9GT3

Keith, you can drive a car incredibly well. At your skill level, when the ambient temperature is in the 90s at MSR, at what point does the McLaren begin overheating?

Tacet-Conundrum

In three to five years you will be able to buy one of those MP4-12C for $50K if the depreciation curve keeps up like a Mercedes.

Also A 12C might Do the the trick against a new Turbo Porsche S on a Track. But get them on the street there aint no way that McLaren was made for driving in and out of highway and street traffic. Besides it still remains to be seen if the McLaren will hold up to the Tune-Up Blues that Ferrari's go though. Remember McLaren took a sizable chunk of Ferrari employees when they decided to go selling cars.

But saying the 12C will blow the doors off a TTS 0 to 60, is A mighty bold statement of words. Though I ill admit we will leave the track days to the GT3 and GT3RS. Hell McLaren's F1 got the drop on the Bugatti Veyron when BBC TopGear tested them in Dubai- and that was past 60. The F1 McLaren is a car that should be held in high esteem and sell for between $6MM and $8MM and more. Those versions aren't falling like rocks.

In 18 months you will be seeing adds for Mclaren 575s for $69K OBO.

And performance has nothing to do with Valuationu

Drifting

LOL

I enjoyed my 5 Lapss in the 12C at the track with exotics racing in Vegas a few years ago. I came back a year later, and they were still tracking all Porsches, even all the Ferrari and Lamborghini models, but they stopped offering the McLaren because it broke down too much with regular track use.

That says a lot to me. Fun street car, but sadly not engineered to hold up to regular track work.

ghostryder

The demand has become high for used 12c's, because it's priced in the same range as 911 turbo. You guys can pump sunshine all you want, but not everyone wants to buy a Porsche that is under powered and looks like all the other models.

Why do you guys think, the demand for the gt3 rs is sooo high. Because Porsche is making bland cars that all look alike. Don't get me wrong, I like porsches, but im not drinking the cool aid that all Porsches are amazing.

You can rag on the resale of the 12c's all you want but, it is a car that was way ahead of its time, and now that Mclaren is slowly building a brand and adding dealers the 12c will be appreciated by the secondary market.

Ps I do have a 991 gt3 rs on order. But not selling the 12c for it. No other car has cockpit like the mac.

916Bob

I only took one other pic but here it is...