Good Dealer List
#47
RL Community Team
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Another Scenario:
A dealer sells their first one or two high demand cars to their picker customer who buy them at MSRP and then trade them in without ever taking them off the lot for the same price. The dealer then marks the cars up above MSRP and resales them. Does this put them on the "bad list"? Then, how does your opinion change if the dealer continues to claim they never sell above MSRP?
A discussion I got into with a friend of mine in Denver this past week. He thinks this happens a lot.
A dealer sells their first one or two high demand cars to their picker customer who buy them at MSRP and then trade them in without ever taking them off the lot for the same price. The dealer then marks the cars up above MSRP and resales them. Does this put them on the "bad list"? Then, how does your opinion change if the dealer continues to claim they never sell above MSRP?
A discussion I got into with a friend of mine in Denver this past week. He thinks this happens a lot.
I've never wanted a car that badly. It's a car, and in this case a toy.
If I can't buy the car at a price I'm comfortable with, then I find another car to buy. Or just don't buy any car.
#48
Race Director
^^^You are correct. I heard some of the 918 guys were flipping back after taking a $5000 profit from the Dealer so the dealer could mark up and sell w/o getting themselves in to trouble with PCNA. If it is used it is free game.- Still a little shady but ipse dixit hit it on the mark.
But - I do think it is fun to point out the repeaters and abusers. I would not go to those dealerships. Integrity is very important to me. I do not ever lie to people. I am so candid some times it scares people and some times they think - no way that is true. Some times the truth is more painful to the other person than the lie. But we all have to sleep good at night so to each there own.
But - I do think it is fun to point out the repeaters and abusers. I would not go to those dealerships. Integrity is very important to me. I do not ever lie to people. I am so candid some times it scares people and some times they think - no way that is true. Some times the truth is more painful to the other person than the lie. But we all have to sleep good at night so to each there own.
#49
Instructor
Pacific Porsche has treated me right. I got on their list two months ago when they were told more allocations were coming their way but didn't know when. I got the "you're in luck" call two weeks ago and couldn't be happaier with their communication and honestly. They made me an appointment at Porsche Exclusive in Beverly Hills for my build and charged me MSRP.
#50
Nordschleife Master
Another Scenario:
A dealer sells their first one or two high demand cars to their picker customer who buy them at MSRP and then trade them in without ever taking them off the lot for the same price. The dealer then marks the cars up above MSRP and resales them. Does this put them on the "bad list"? Then, how does your opinion change if the dealer continues to claim they never sell above MSRP?
A discussion I got into with a friend of mine in Denver this past week. He thinks this happens a lot.
A dealer sells their first one or two high demand cars to their picker customer who buy them at MSRP and then trade them in without ever taking them off the lot for the same price. The dealer then marks the cars up above MSRP and resales them. Does this put them on the "bad list"? Then, how does your opinion change if the dealer continues to claim they never sell above MSRP?
A discussion I got into with a friend of mine in Denver this past week. He thinks this happens a lot.
#51
Rennlist Member
Best:
Circle Porsche Long Beach
Purchase history:
2011 997 GT3
2012 997 Turbo S
2013 Boxster M/T
2014 991 C4S M/T
2014 991 GT3
Worst:
Porsche of Newport Beach
Purchase history:
0
(and I live in N.B.)
Circle Porsche Long Beach
Purchase history:
2011 997 GT3
2012 997 Turbo S
2013 Boxster M/T
2014 991 C4S M/T
2014 991 GT3
Worst:
Porsche of Newport Beach
Purchase history:
0
(and I live in N.B.)
#52
Rennlist Member
Another Scenario:
A dealer sells their first one or two high demand cars to their picker customer who buy them at MSRP and then trade them in without ever taking them off the lot for the same price. The dealer then marks the cars up above MSRP and resales them. Does this put them on the "bad list"? Then, how does your opinion change if the dealer continues to claim they never sell above MSRP?
A discussion I got into with a friend of mine in Denver this past week. He thinks this happens a lot.
A dealer sells their first one or two high demand cars to their picker customer who buy them at MSRP and then trade them in without ever taking them off the lot for the same price. The dealer then marks the cars up above MSRP and resales them. Does this put them on the "bad list"? Then, how does your opinion change if the dealer continues to claim they never sell above MSRP?
A discussion I got into with a friend of mine in Denver this past week. He thinks this happens a lot.
#53
Rennlist Member
^^^You are correct. I heard some of the 918 guys were flipping back after taking a $5000 profit from the Dealer so the dealer could mark up and sell w/o getting themselves in to trouble with PCNA. If it is used it is free game.- Still a little shady but ipse dixit hit it on the mark.
But - I do think it is fun to point out the repeaters and abusers. I would not go to those dealerships. Integrity is very important to me. I do not ever lie to people. I am so candid some times it scares people and some times they think - no way that is true. Some times the truth is more painful to the other person than the lie. But we all have to sleep good at night so to each there own.
But - I do think it is fun to point out the repeaters and abusers. I would not go to those dealerships. Integrity is very important to me. I do not ever lie to people. I am so candid some times it scares people and some times they think - no way that is true. Some times the truth is more painful to the other person than the lie. But we all have to sleep good at night so to each there own.
I'm just going to drive mine and hope that it holds its value reasonably well. Then sell it when I can take delivery of an RS. I don't expect to make a profit. I just want to have fun with the car.
P.S. On the RS, I guess it might be more likely a profit could be made if I flipped it? I'm not sure. But after getting my *** handed to me selling the RS4.0 too early in order to help fund restoration on three classic cars -- which the restorer, who was a friend, then hosed me on -- I'm not in the mood for speculating on cars right now.
#54
P.S. On the RS, I guess it might be more likely a profit could be made if I flipped it? I'm not sure. But after getting my *** handed to me selling the RS4.0 too early in order to help fund restoration on three classic cars -- which the restorer, who was a friend, then hosed me on -- I'm not in the mood for speculating on cars right now.
The RS4.0 was the best money he's ever made on a car and he actually owned and sold multiple of them. He could have made a lot more holding them for longer, but I think the 4.0 is a very tough benchmark.
I just buy cars for the enjoyment, i go into expecting to lose money...
My GT3 I spec'd to $164k, but it's the build I want and i'll only keep it until my RS arrives...I suspect I'll lose $20 to $30k.
#55
Re the "918 guys" I was told I had to hold the GT3 six months before selling it. I don't know if that's true. But, I think it would be a big mistake to put up $150+K on a car that is temporarily undersupplied, and expect to make a profit six months after I get it (six months + 2 months until mine arrives = 8 months).
I'm just going to drive mine and hope that it holds its value reasonably well. Then sell it when I can take delivery of an RS. I don't expect to make a profit. I just want to have fun with the car.
P.S. On the RS, I guess it might be more likely a profit could be made if I flipped it? I'm not sure. But after getting my *** handed to me selling the RS4.0 too early in order to help fund restoration on three classic cars -- which the restorer, who was a friend, then hosed me on -- I'm not in the mood for speculating on cars right now.
I'm just going to drive mine and hope that it holds its value reasonably well. Then sell it when I can take delivery of an RS. I don't expect to make a profit. I just want to have fun with the car.
P.S. On the RS, I guess it might be more likely a profit could be made if I flipped it? I'm not sure. But after getting my *** handed to me selling the RS4.0 too early in order to help fund restoration on three classic cars -- which the restorer, who was a friend, then hosed me on -- I'm not in the mood for speculating on cars right now.
#56
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On another thread Jimmy-D suggested we start a list of the dealers that are "good." For me this meant:
1. They told me the straight story
2. They provided refundable deposits
3. They charged MSRP
I have two dealers on the good list:
Newport Porsche in Newport Beach (I let me first allocation go for personal timing issues)
Circle Porsche in Long Beach Ca. (My current allocation)
On my bad list would be
Porsche Beverly Hills asking $15K over MSRP
1. They told me the straight story
2. They provided refundable deposits
3. They charged MSRP
I have two dealers on the good list:
Newport Porsche in Newport Beach (I let me first allocation go for personal timing issues)
Circle Porsche in Long Beach Ca. (My current allocation)
On my bad list would be
Porsche Beverly Hills asking $15K over MSRP
My Aunt and Uncle almost bought an 911 from Circle Porsche back in the later 70's, in Long Beach - they lived in Cerritos at the time, and they were dicked around so much they just went to Cerritos Auto Square and bought a Yellow Corvette. Talking about underpowered automatic California Vette with all the emissions crap added on.
#57
Rusnak in Pasadena, California was very fair and upfront with me. When I first went there in in February (right before the engine debacle!), they told me their 2014 list was filled but that I could get on the 2015 list at MSRP for a $5,000 totally refundable deposit--which I did. When I periodically called, they let me know what the status of things were, and told me what number I was on the list. Last week they called with my allocation for an October build, and we're off and running! I didn't seek to delay the build to get the sports seats, since I didn't want them.
#58
Rennlist Member
For anyone interested Pacific has another white car on the floor. It has the PCCB brakes, black wheels, and a few other items. MSRP is $157. They want $20k over that. Pacific.
#60
On another thread Jimmy-D suggested we start a list of the dealers that are "good." For me this meant:
1. They told me the straight story
2. They provided refundable deposits
3. They charged MSRP
I have two dealers on the good list:
Newport Porsche in Newport Beach (I let me first allocation go for personal timing issues)
Circle Porsche in Long Beach Ca. (My current allocation)
On my bad list would be
Porsche Beverly Hills asking $15K over MSRP
1. They told me the straight story
2. They provided refundable deposits
3. They charged MSRP
I have two dealers on the good list:
Newport Porsche in Newport Beach (I let me first allocation go for personal timing issues)
Circle Porsche in Long Beach Ca. (My current allocation)
On my bad list would be
Porsche Beverly Hills asking $15K over MSRP
Good List:
Porsche of Westwood in Ma. Mike Lookner Sales Mgr.
Mike has taken great care of me during this unfortunate disaster.