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#91
And these delays in MY2015 gt3 production, if indeed they are to start in September of 2014, also go against the grain of their 'just-in-time' logistics scheduling which is arranged months in advance so that each vehicle has the parts necessary to successfully complete its build.
#92
Rennlist Member
Yes, that is what I have read too. I posted in Rennteam (a Euro-centric Porsche website) to see if anyone in Europe was scheduled to get a MY2015 in June, July or August. And so far, no was has responded. That is rather odd. Not even the always communicative 'RC' (Christian - the Rennteam's administrator) has chimed in on the subject!
Does it? I would think that PAG would not upset the delivery plans of their June, July and August MY2015 gt3 customers (especially its European orders placed long time ago) given that the driving season (for both highway & race track events) is limited by the northern latitudes to just a few months!
For PAG to intentionally delay production & deliveries of MY2015 gt3's into the Fall of 2014 so as to not further upset their already pissed-off MY2014 gt3 customers makes NO SENSE at all! If these delays continue, both for the engine installs on MY2014's and new production of MY2015's, Porsche will force their 991 gt3 customers to essentially 'write-off' the entire track calendar year of 2014...that is unconscionable for a sport car company with a legion of track enthusiasts that depend on Porsches for their hobby. That is the reason these customers ordered these expensive cars and they have a right to be very disappointed with these additional delays...assuming the engines problem have been already corrected! So why the delays now?
And these delays in MY2015 gt3 production, if indeed they are to start in September of 2014, also go against the grain of their 'just-in-time' logistics scheduling which is arranged months in advance so that each vehicle has the parts necessary to successfully complete its build. Did PAG ever planned to build MY2015 gt3's at all (before the stop sale)? Where orders ever taken (by PAG) & production scheduled (by PAG) for June, July & August of 2014 before the stop sale? If not, why not?
Something else is at work here that is responsible for these MY2015 991 gt3 delays. We will find out exactly what in due course. But I am concerned that it involves something 'technical' and they are still worried about 'reliability'.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Does it? I would think that PAG would not upset the delivery plans of their June, July and August MY2015 gt3 customers (especially its European orders placed long time ago) given that the driving season (for both highway & race track events) is limited by the northern latitudes to just a few months!
For PAG to intentionally delay production & deliveries of MY2015 gt3's into the Fall of 2014 so as to not further upset their already pissed-off MY2014 gt3 customers makes NO SENSE at all! If these delays continue, both for the engine installs on MY2014's and new production of MY2015's, Porsche will force their 991 gt3 customers to essentially 'write-off' the entire track calendar year of 2014...that is unconscionable for a sport car company with a legion of track enthusiasts that depend on Porsches for their hobby. That is the reason these customers ordered these expensive cars and they have a right to be very disappointed with these additional delays...assuming the engines problem have been already corrected! So why the delays now?
And these delays in MY2015 gt3 production, if indeed they are to start in September of 2014, also go against the grain of their 'just-in-time' logistics scheduling which is arranged months in advance so that each vehicle has the parts necessary to successfully complete its build. Did PAG ever planned to build MY2015 gt3's at all (before the stop sale)? Where orders ever taken (by PAG) & production scheduled (by PAG) for June, July & August of 2014 before the stop sale? If not, why not?
Something else is at work here that is responsible for these MY2015 991 gt3 delays. We will find out exactly what in due course. But I am concerned that it involves something 'technical' and they are still worried about 'reliability'.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Your point regarding track season is valid but carries as much weight with Porsche as ordering PTS.
#93
Burning Brakes
So....Porsche is not concerned about the reliability of the 785 2014 GT3's that they are putting brand new engines in? If the 2014's break again, don't you think that will cause the 2015 buyers to back out before taking delivery? For all practical purposes the cars are identical. If Porsche doesn't get the 2014's correct they jeopardize the sale of the 2015's as well.
#94
So....Porsche is not concerned about the reliability of the 785 2014 GT3's that they are putting brand new engines in? If the 2014's break again, don't you think that will cause the 2015 buyers to back out before taking delivery? For all practical purposes the cars are identical. If Porsche doesn't get the 2014's correct they jeopardize the sale of the 2015's as well.
"Porsche engineers are understood to be concerned at the prospect of trying to reliably extract enough extra power from the naturally aspirated engine to warrant an RS badge."
http://m.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-...ext-911-gt3-rs
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
#95
Burning Brakes
"Porsche engineers are understood to be concerned at the prospect of trying to reliably extract enough extra power from the naturally aspirated engine to warrant an RS badge."
http://m.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-...ext-911-gt3-rs
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
#97
Race Director
No, that is not my point. Just the opposite. They are overly concerned with the reliability of their engines. Just read this part of Steve Sutcliffe's Autocar report posted in the last few days. It is talking specifically about the motor on the upcoming '15 991 gt3 RS, but there is not that much different between the N/A engine originally designed for that model and the one currently on the '14 991 gt3!
"Porsche engineers are understood to be concerned at the prospect of trying to reliably extract enough extra power from the naturally aspirated engine to warrant an RS badge."
http://m.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-...ext-911-gt3-rs
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
"Porsche engineers are understood to be concerned at the prospect of trying to reliably extract enough extra power from the naturally aspirated engine to warrant an RS badge."
http://m.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-...ext-911-gt3-rs
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
But let's assume he's on to something. How much more power is required for the RS is very relevant. 475HP (AP has said it's closer to 500) from a NA 3.8L 6 cylinder revving to 9K is already pretty impressive. Getting another 20-30HP might be easy but that probably doesn't justify the predicted $50K price differential to the RS. IMHO at least another 50HP is required to make the RS worth the extra cost and getting close to 550 street legal HP from the NA 9A1 GT3 motor will be more difficult.
My point is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about the viability of the engine in the 991 GT3 just because it may not have quite enough headroom for the purposes of a pumped up RS. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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#98
Hard to say about Sutcliffe's comment. I mean, either Porsche engineers are concerned or they aren't. "Understood to be concerned" may be a turn of a phrase but to me it sounds like the language one uses when one is merely speculating. But let's assume he's on to something. How much more power is required for the RS is very relevant. 475HP (AP has said it's closer to 500) from a NA 3.8L 6 cylinder revving to 9K is already pretty impressive. Getting another 20-30HP might be easy but that probably doesn't justify the predicted $50K price differential to the RS. IMHO at least another 50HP is required to make the RS worth the extra cost and getting close to 550 street legal HP from the NA 9A1 GT3 motor will be more difficult. My point is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about the viability of the engine in the 991 GT3 just because it may not have quite enough headroom for the purposes of a pumped up RS. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I remember reading that one of the Mezger's challenge in order to keep up w/ the HP war raging on was displacement. Hence, a 50 HP boost with a bore increase to 4.0 doesn't seem out of reach.
More importantly, given the development cycle, I have a hard time understanding how they could flip from NA to TT in less than a year while finding a way to keep the nature of the GT cars intact... It seems too much of a shift, even if you start e/ the TT engine. Everything else has to change!
If it goes TT, I may bail on my RS; the sound; the redline; the free revving; etc. the TTS is fun but not my cup of tea on a track...
#99
Race Director
Perhaps we also need to remember that it was only a bolt that was defective at this time. Indeed, the impact was a complete meltdown of the cars involved but I'd like to think that this was a relatively simple fix compared to, say, chronic electrical gremlins or mechanical failure of the block.
I remember reading that one of the Mezger's challenge in order to keep up w/ the HP war raging on was displacement. Hence, a 50 HP boost with a bore increase to 4.0 doesn't seem out of reach.
More importantly, given the development cycle, I have a hard time understanding how they could flip from NA to TT in less than a year while finding a way to keep the nature of the GT cars intact... It seems too much of a shift, even if you start e/ the TT engine. Everything else has to change!
If it goes TT, I may bail on my RS; the sound; the redline; the free revving; etc. the TTS is fun but not my cup of tea on a track...
I remember reading that one of the Mezger's challenge in order to keep up w/ the HP war raging on was displacement. Hence, a 50 HP boost with a bore increase to 4.0 doesn't seem out of reach.
More importantly, given the development cycle, I have a hard time understanding how they could flip from NA to TT in less than a year while finding a way to keep the nature of the GT cars intact... It seems too much of a shift, even if you start e/ the TT engine. Everything else has to change!
If it goes TT, I may bail on my RS; the sound; the redline; the free revving; etc. the TTS is fun but not my cup of tea on a track...
#101
Burning Brakes