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Old 02-12-2014, 06:50 PM
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What the F. If I wanted a German BBQ that's what I would have ordered.
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At least 10 458s caught fire in their first year due to a wheel arch adhesive issue, which required a simple fix. In this case the fix will be simple too most likely. This is part of the sports car ownership experience. Must be the heat that 9000 rpms generate.

For those with cars already, it means a recall. If your options list is not perfect, drive it hard, if it catches fire you'll get another shot with a new car complimentary from porsche.
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:09 PM
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This all begs the question... Why is this happening to GT3's in Europe, but not in the US? I'm sure if it was happening here, we would have heard about it by now... It's apparently happening quite frequently now in Europe, but has yet to happen here... Hmmm...
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Originally Posted by eilig View Post
This all begs the question... Why is this happening to GT3's in Europe, but not in the US? I'm sure if it was happening here, we would have heard about it by now... It's apparently happening quite frequently now in Europe, but has yet to happen here... Hmmm...
The plot thickens...
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:17 PM
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Must be that euro organic food...must create more gas or somethin...
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:18 PM
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I wonder if there is any correlation between the "oil cooler support bracket" mentioned by pietrostone and the WE09 campaign item "Fastening screws for oil-water heat exchanger" that someone on RL had done on his car.
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:23 PM
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^^That's a great point. If that's it...just made my day.
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jfr0317 View Post
I wonder if there is any correlation between the "oil cooler support bracket" mentioned by pietrostone and the WE09 campaign item "Fastening screws for oil-water heat exchanger" that someone on RL had done on his car.
It very well could be the same thing. IIRC, I don't think that bit was actually done to the car (at least at the time of the post) but it was mentioned. When I had my car in for the thermostat replacement I asked my SA about WE09 and he had no record of it. If it is the fasteners, it seems like it should be an easy fix, although the consequences of a failure are clearly not a minor matter.

Just speculating here, but I wonder if all the issues have been in Europe because cars were delivered there first and therefore either a) were earlier in the production run or b) in general have more miles on them. You'd think (hope?) that if Porsche really thought that there was a fire danger for US customers there'd be an immediate recall or notification.
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Originally Posted by Mike in CA View Post
Just speculating here, but I wonder if all the issues have been in Europe because cars were delivered there first and therefore either a) were earlier in the production run or b) in general have more miles on them. You'd think (hope?) that if Porsche really thought that there was a fire danger for US customers there'd be an immediate recall or notification.
Although that would make perfectly good sense, one of the posters mentioned that it had happened to a car in Italy that had only 60 kilometers on the odometer... Assuming this is indeed true, it would seem to render your hypothesis as incorrect...

This is going to be interesting...
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Originally Posted by eilig View Post
Although that would make perfectly good sense, one of the posters mentioned that it had happened to a car in Italy that had only 60 kilometers on the odometer... Assuming this is indeed true, it would seem to render your hypothesis as incorrect...

This is going to be interesting...
Even more worrisome is Porsche has identified the problem but is debating whether it can be corrected by the dealership service department.

if Porsche decides they cannot then we are all in for a long wait to take delivery and drive our cars.
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Has there been an issue in recent memory, where they ship the cars back to the factory for a fix?!
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick View Post
Even more worrisome is Porsche has identified the problem but is debating whether it can be corrected by the dealership service department.

if Porsche decides they cannot then we are all in for a long wait to take delivery and drive our cars.
Nick, isn't the issue whether it can be fixed at either the port PDI or the dealer, or if it would require some other solution?

Many issues are taken care of during the PDI at the ports of delivery. If I were a dealer, I would much rather have any holds on cars take place at the ports since the dealer gets invoiced for the car when but not until it leaves the port.
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 0Q991 View Post
Has there been an issue in recent memory, where they ship the cars back to the factory for a fix?!
Cheaper to send out specialist to the dealer. The cars will sit for a long time. They must recall all the cars delivered.

BTW, since Porsche is trying to determine whether the dealer can repair does that not imply a major problem with the car?
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Old 02-12-2014, 08:01 PM
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@Nick--I think Pietro's post was intended to say that he's just not sure. He mentioned that an engineer was there just today...Perhaps he will have more info soon...

That's likely why he shared the email of the GM of that dealership--so we can email for the full story and details. Although I kind of doubt that the GM will reply.
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Originally Posted by eilig View Post
Although that would make perfectly good sense, one of the posters mentioned that it had happened to a car in Italy that had only 60 kilometers on the odometer... Assuming this is indeed true, it would seem to render your hypothesis as incorrect...

This is going to be interesting...
It still could have been an early production model that wasn't delivered early.....but as I said I was just speculating. It's not like we have enough data to do much of anything else at this point.

On a related note, there is no evidence that suggests this problem can't be fixed by a dealer or in port. The fact that cars are being held doesn't imply anything one way or another, it just means that there's no reason to continue to deliver cars with a known or possible defect. It doesn't necessarily mean cars are going to hauled back to the factory to be repaired or that Porsche is uncertain of how to handle this.

Or maybe it does. We just don't know.....
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