EVO (UK) Full GT3 Test
08-09-2013, 06:18 PM
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The track review sounds very promising.
Lets face it guys every iteration of the GT3 since 1999 has been far more fast than you can every use at 5/10ths its limit at legal road speeds anywhere in the world. nothing in this regard changes. We aren't *****'s, when we go for a proper drive and find a deserted canyon road or back road rural winding set we just go for it - I for one dont keep an eye on my speedo when Im "deliberately" enjoying my cars reserves on a quiet road. Nothing changes, just the speed and precision and of course as always the mess will be a little but bigger f you make a mistake....
If There was going to be a hard acid test on this car it was going to be EVO. It does sound like it came out pretty well. Meaden owns a 964RS and loves analogue cars so i understand his point but its the same point I thought when I went form 993RS to 996.1 GT3 (too fast and clinical). Now the 996GT3 feels organic and talkative and not too quick. Time and expectations change I guess...
Lets face it guys every iteration of the GT3 since 1999 has been far more fast than you can every use at 5/10ths its limit at legal road speeds anywhere in the world. nothing in this regard changes. We aren't *****'s, when we go for a proper drive and find a deserted canyon road or back road rural winding set we just go for it - I for one dont keep an eye on my speedo when Im "deliberately" enjoying my cars reserves on a quiet road. Nothing changes, just the speed and precision and of course as always the mess will be a little but bigger f you make a mistake....
If There was going to be a hard acid test on this car it was going to be EVO. It does sound like it came out pretty well. Meaden owns a 964RS and loves analogue cars so i understand his point but its the same point I thought when I went form 993RS to 996.1 GT3 (too fast and clinical). Now the 996GT3 feels organic and talkative and not too quick. Time and expectations change I guess...
08-09-2013, 07:29 PM
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08-09-2013, 09:45 PM
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Any idea how I can get a copy? In the US I don't think any of the local places has it on the rack, anyone know of a chain that carries it?
I checked into the digital subscription, it would begin with issue 188, not the current 187. I'd happily buy the subscription if I could get the current issue.
Checked "back issues" they start at 185, ugh.
Ryan
I checked into the digital subscription, it would begin with issue 188, not the current 187. I'd happily buy the subscription if I could get the current issue.
Checked "back issues" they start at 185, ugh.
Ryan
08-09-2013, 10:47 PM
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the chassis's crazy ability to change direction and its vast reserves of grip mean that to make the GT3 really alive, you need a clear road and an unhealthy disregard for your driving licence. Inevitably the sweet, punchy PDK box only pours fuel on the fire, giving easy access to the new engine's wild top-end and allowing you to use every last drop of the car's stunning composure to good effect. To criticise a car for such qualities might seem odd, but as Dickie (Meaden) discovered, its predecessor's physical manual box, short-travel suspension and gritty engine provides greater engagement and excitement at lower, more accessible speeds.
08-09-2013, 10:58 PM
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This is huge. And it fits my experience with the 997 and 991. 997 is fun at all speeds. 991 is boring at sane speeds, thrilling and capable at high speeds. 991 GT3 seems to be indeed be a 991. IMO, it would be silly to buy a 991 GT3 for mainly road use, but looks like a good choice for mainly track use. I'd be in the latter category, but am losing hope of actually being able to get one within the next year.
Ive owned plenty of interesting Porsche hardware but ii cant say any of them were particularly more exciting than any others when it came to DD duties. I think the 991 GT3 will perform this task very well and on track too so that leaves spirited back road weekend drives and tarmac rally - frankly I cant see it being less than a blast on either of those either (we rarely drive at or below the speed limit when pressing on anyhow)...
08-09-2013, 11:04 PM
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This is huge. And it fits my experience with the 997 and 991. 997 is fun at all speeds. 991 is boring at sane speeds, thrilling and capable at high speeds. 991 GT3 seems to be indeed be a 991. IMO, it would be silly to buy a 991 GT3 for mainly road use, but looks like a good choice for mainly track use. I'd be in the latter category, but am losing hope of actually being able to get one within the next year.
Although my .2 was fun on the street, it wasn't really fun until things became illegal. Same goes for the 991.
I am also confidant a 991 GT3 is far more fun than a 991S on the street even at sane speeds.
08-09-2013, 11:12 PM
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the car will be dual personality.
a guy up the road from me has a daily-driver 458, and mostly rolls past in auto-mode with hardly a sound, but when he's deep in the throttle the thing is much louder than any other previous ferrari that i have heard including scud and strad.
it's very loud.
that is how people want their cars these days. the compromises at either end are getting finer and finer.
a guy up the road from me has a daily-driver 458, and mostly rolls past in auto-mode with hardly a sound, but when he's deep in the throttle the thing is much louder than any other previous ferrari that i have heard including scud and strad.
it's very loud.
that is how people want their cars these days. the compromises at either end are getting finer and finer.
08-09-2013, 11:35 PM
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I took my C63 to the track today. Great road car, practical yet the torque, handling, sounds, etc. are fun. But it sucked on track (with street tires): burned the front OEM brake pads, lots of brake fade in the first session and the pedal still has much increased travel (likely boiled the brake fluid), transmission overheated and wouldn't let me shift manually much of the time, and overall it felt like a big heavy blob. I anticipate the 991 GT3 will be the opposite of this: a demon on the track, vastly underutilized on the road.
08-09-2013, 11:51 PM
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Thats just my point.
A German businessman would say your C63 AMG is vastly underutilized because you don't use it on autobahns to traverse great distances with blinding ease at 230kmph.
My 6GT3 was vastly underutilized on the rounds around my city
My 993RS was vastly underutilized on the roads within my city.
My heavily modded 993 C2 is vastly underutilized on anything barr a track or a Targa tarmac rally event.
Lets face it unless you use any GT 911 exclusively on the track Id say it spends 80% of its lifes mileage vastly underutilized...
A German businessman would say your C63 AMG is vastly underutilized because you don't use it on autobahns to traverse great distances with blinding ease at 230kmph.
My 6GT3 was vastly underutilized on the rounds around my city
My 993RS was vastly underutilized on the roads within my city.
My heavily modded 993 C2 is vastly underutilized on anything barr a track or a Targa tarmac rally event.
Lets face it unless you use any GT 911 exclusively on the track Id say it spends 80% of its lifes mileage vastly underutilized...
08-10-2013, 12:04 AM
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^^^ I agree completely. Vastly underutilized is one thing. Not fun is something else. The absolutely last thing I'm worried about with my new 991 GT3 when it gets here is that it won't be fun; on the track, on the street, or just looking at it in my driveway!
08-10-2013, 12:30 AM
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Sounds like 9000rpm and PDK are fun. Who'd a thunk? And it's sold out in the US market. Porsche really should sack their marketing, save the budget and just send a car to a couple of these journo's capable of reviewing the cars, not just parroting the talking points in the press pack.
08-10-2013, 01:35 AM
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4.0 is therefore the car to get
08-10-2013, 05:47 AM
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Thats just my point.
A German businessman would say your C63 AMG is vastly underutilized because you don't use it on autobahns to traverse great distances with blinding ease at 230kmph.
My 6GT3 was vastly underutilized on the rounds around my city
My 993RS was vastly underutilized on the roads within my city.
My heavily modded 993 C2 is vastly underutilized on anything barr a track or a Targa tarmac rally event.
Lets face it unless you use any GT 911 exclusively on the track Id say it spends 80% of its lifes mileage vastly underutilized...
A German businessman would say your C63 AMG is vastly underutilized because you don't use it on autobahns to traverse great distances with blinding ease at 230kmph.
My 6GT3 was vastly underutilized on the rounds around my city
My 993RS was vastly underutilized on the roads within my city.
My heavily modded 993 C2 is vastly underutilized on anything barr a track or a Targa tarmac rally event.
Lets face it unless you use any GT 911 exclusively on the track Id say it spends 80% of its lifes mileage vastly underutilized...
08-10-2013, 09:39 AM
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991 GT3 is getting the just reviews it deserves and that we expected... the level of engagement and satisfaction will be subjective (and for me, likely not appealing)... The comment regarding the 4.0RS is low and biased as far as I'm concerned for a car 2sec off the pace with the "old technology" over a 20km track... The kind of comment a reviewer that can't drive would make... It ain't the car's fault you are inadequately equipped from a skill set point of view to exploit the car's potential...