Porsche start listening to your customers, as BMW does.
03-25-2013, 03:32 PM
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Porsche start listening to your customers, as BMW does.
03-25-2013, 04:33 PM
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Hubris is my very favorite sin in a car company...
03-25-2013, 11:47 PM
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funny thing is that BMW havent made a decent M3 in some time that wasnt heavy as a pig and useless on the track when compared to a 911.....
their answer has been the Z4 or what ever they are called nowadays.....
their answer has been the Z4 or what ever they are called nowadays.....
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03-26-2013, 10:10 AM
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The Porsche dealers across the country are ultimately who sold us out. The "voice" of the customer to Porsche is effectively our dealers, and I found out from my local dealer that they were given a "questionnaire" from Porsche about the manual transmission and how the customer would react to it going away. The dealers basically told Porsche not to worry about, and that they could sell more cars if it was PDK only, for no more reason than that they wanted to also sell more cars via the double clutch. It was greed on the part of all our dealers who ultimately sold us out. This came straight from the GM of my local dealer. Pretty upsetting actually.
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The Porsche dealers across the country are ultimately who sold us out. The "voice" of the customer to Porsche is effectively our dealers, and I found out from my local dealer that they were given a "questionnaire" from Porsche about the manual transmission and how the customer would react to it going away. The dealers basically told Porsche not to worry about, and that they could sell more cars if it was PDK only, for no more reason than that they wanted to also sell more cars via the double clutch. It was greed on the part of all our dealers who ultimately sold us out. This came straight from the GM of my local dealer. Pretty upsetting actually.
03-26-2013, 11:19 AM
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While, as a new customer of Porsche, I feel a bit betrayed with the change in direction on certain values I have....BMW has totally lost the plot. They have softened their m cars to the point that they no longer appeal, and gone are the days of bespoke normally aspirated engines.
03-26-2013, 12:09 PM
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While, as a new customer of Porsche, I feel a bit betrayed with the change in direction on certain values I have....BMW has totally lost the plot. They have softened their m cars to the point that they no longer appeal, and gone are the days of bespoke normally aspirated engines.
of any car I have ever driven. Peter
03-26-2013, 12:10 PM
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The Porsche dealers across the country are ultimately who sold us out. The "voice" of the customer to Porsche is effectively our dealers, and I found out from my local dealer that they were given a "questionnaire" from Porsche about the manual transmission and how the customer would react to it going away. The dealers basically told Porsche not to worry about, and that they could sell more cars if it was PDK only, for no more reason than that they wanted to also sell more cars via the double clutch. It was greed on the part of all our dealers who ultimately sold us out. This came straight from the GM of my local dealer. Pretty upsetting actually.
03-26-2013, 03:22 PM
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BMW is interesting - they are turning into Toyota in some aspects (less soul more practicality), but are brilliant in the others. Most of their cars are amazing value compared to other luxury performance brands. And their marketing is indeed listening to the community - for example, they borrowed a page out of aftermarket book by offering relatively cheap "powerkits" on most models - software plus intake and sometimes added cooling.
BUT, probably because of pressure to perform financially in the near term, they are cashing in on the brand too much by making soft and practical cars that sell well, while taking a penalty in the future in the form of losing the performance and exhilaration attributes of the brad that allow them to sell cars now. So they are practically taking second mortgage on their brand value, which will likely bite them in the *** in few years. But now they cash in on both the practicality and value of current/upcoming vehicles and the brand halo of the past/outgoing ones - good for financial results in short term.
BUT, probably because of pressure to perform financially in the near term, they are cashing in on the brand too much by making soft and practical cars that sell well, while taking a penalty in the future in the form of losing the performance and exhilaration attributes of the brad that allow them to sell cars now. So they are practically taking second mortgage on their brand value, which will likely bite them in the *** in few years. But now they cash in on both the practicality and value of current/upcoming vehicles and the brand halo of the past/outgoing ones - good for financial results in short term.
03-26-2013, 04:21 PM
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BUT, probably because of pressure to perform financially in the near term, they are cashing in on the brand too much by making soft and practical cars that sell well, while taking a penalty in the future in the form of losing the performance and exhilaration attributes of the brad that allow them to sell cars now. So they are practically taking second mortgage on their brand value, which will likely bite them in the *** in few years. But now they cash in on both the practicality and value of current/upcoming vehicles and the brand halo of the past/outgoing ones - good for financial results in short term.