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Old 03-15-2013, 05:23 PM
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AP needs speech lessons from Obama to improve his BS. It doesn't matter what he really thinks,he needs to be a good little tool boy and sell the nice crap.
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Old 03-15-2013, 05:36 PM
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...and there the thread went down the slippery slope of US politics
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:35 PM
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But, AP is not a "marketing guy". Those are his words, and the implication is that marketing guys spin the facts while engineering guys tell the truth. Right now, his credibility is so low that a hooker claiming to be a virgin will be more believable than AP.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:02 PM
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I was trying to throw AP a bone since he obviously has his hands tied. I agree, he has no credibility now, at least as far as many enthusiasts are concerned.

But it's possible that this was not his decision and he's been forced to go along with it and thereby defend it. That may not be in his control. Hard to pass judgement on that. I mean this is VW Porsche and all.
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...or maybe he was not convinced of PDK earlier, but has now changed his mind after testing manual and PDK equipped GT3's side by side.

We don't know and we should not judge him without knowing the full story.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by StirlingMoss View Post
...or maybe he was not convinced of PDK earlier, but has now changed his mind after testing manual and PDK equipped GT3's side by side.

We don't know and we should not judge him without knowing the full story.
I assume by that you mean it's possible he's not one of the "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts.........or a test drive" crowd!
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:45 PM
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AP is an embarrassment to Ferdinand Porsche and to the Porsche name in general. He's also an embarrassment to Germans in general,which are known for their word and correctitude.
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Originally Posted by Mike in CA View Post
I assume by that you mean it's possible he's not one of the "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts.........or a test drive" crowd!
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by neanicu View Post
AP is an embarrassment to Ferdinand Porsche and to the Porsche name in general. He's also an embarrassment to Germans in general,which are known for their word and correctitude.
Yes, totally. I almost feel like the time I found out Santa Claus does not exist.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by neanicu View Post
AP is an embarrassment to Ferdinand Porsche and to the Porsche name in general. He's also an embarrassment to Germans in general,which are known for their word and correctitude.
Oh please don't go there. He isn't; and history is still fresh..

And guys, please no politics in here. We have the perfect place to discuss them (and probably nobody will read them..).

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Old 03-15-2013, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by StirlingMoss View Post
...or maybe he was not convinced of PDK earlier, but has now changed his mind after testing manual and PDK equipped GT3's side by side.

We don't know and we should not judge him without knowing the full story.
Sure......... like the gt3 is the first pdk equipped car he had driven prior to that interview.

His credibility is ruined regardless. Im trying to give him the benefit of the doubt though anything he says now will be taken with a grain of salt.
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Sure......... like the gt3 is the first pdk equipped car he had driven prior to that interview.

His credibility is ruined regardless. Im trying to give him the benefit of the doubt though anything he says now will be taken with a grain of salt.
So you believed every word of Porsche marketing up until now? There is never credibility in marketing and all these magazine and video interviews are nothing else than clever marketing. It has nothing with AP to do. He just represents his employer.
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Old 03-15-2013, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by StirlingMoss View Post
So you believed every word of Porsche marketing up until now? There is never credibility in marketing and all these magazine and video interviews are nothing else than clever marketing. It has nothing with AP to do. He just represents his employer.
And his employer should've looked back on what his employee said not too long ago and make sure he somehow washes his hands.
Let's face it : we are just a bunch of enthusiasts and were able to dig this dirt yet a big company like Porsche couldn't straighten this out. They have a whole PR department and their employees need to know and measure EXACTLY every word that comes out of their mouth because it can turn against them,which it did!
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Sure......... like the gt3 is the first pdk equipped car he had driven prior to that interview.

His credibility is ruined regardless. Im trying to give him the benefit of the doubt though anything he says now will be taken with a grain of salt.
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And his employer should've looked back on what his employee said not too long ago and make sure he somehow washes his hands.
Let's face it : we are just a bunch of enthusiasts and were able to dig this dirt yet a big company like Porsche couldn't straighten this out. They have a whole PR department and their employees need to know and measure EXACTLY every word that comes out of their mouth because it can turn against them,which it did!
Something to consider, the Top Gear interview was in April 2010. The Edmunds quote was from October 2009. There have been significant advances in the PDK since then.

More to the point, the 991 GT3 and the new engine didn't even exist when he made those statements. It seems possible, and all the other issues aside, that after testing the manual and PDK with the new powerplant the revised 7sp PDK proved to be a better match than the 6 speed manual. Reasonable people can change their minds when presented with new information and circumstances. Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by Mike in CA View Post
Something to consider, the Top Gear interview was in April 2010. The Edmunds quote was from October 2009. There have been significant advances in the PDK since then.

More to the point, the 991 GT3 and the new engine didn't even exist when he made those statements. It seems possible, and all the other issues aside, that after testing the manual and PDK with the new powerplant the revised 7sp PDK proved to be a better match than the 6 speed manual. Reasonable people can change their minds when presented with new information and circumstances. Just a thought.
Mike,I'm with you,but I don't think anybody would've been this upset if they didn't offer a manual in a Carrera or Carrera S,but the GT3?! The iconic sports/track raw car?!
I understand PDK is a much faster,better transmission and I'm glad they're offering it,but should we really believe that Porsche couldn't have made the effort to offer both on this iconic sports/track raw car?!
I will admit something here : I used to be one of the people,at the beginning of my time on this board,making fun of folks driving an automatic transmission,yet I was so wrong! I've learned in time that the people I was making fun of were enthusiasts like me that drove manuals for longer than I was born but chose to drive an automatic for other reasons and I respect that! Why can't Porsche respect us too and give us a manual?
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