No 6 speed in the GT3. Ugh.
03-06-2013, 11:09 AM
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03-06-2013, 11:10 AM
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As someone else pointed out you have contradicted your earlier post. You may think using an H patten manual is more involving. I don't.
Using an H pattern shifter is a dying and unnecessary excise. As I wrote the Brumos car is using a sequential manual, not even an H patten. If you are teaching people to use an H patten transmission on a race track you might as well be practicing jousting. It might be enjoyable to you but it isn't really productive in the larger scheme of things.
That said I do enjoy using the H patten manual in my 356 but in a track focused car there is just no reason for it. Different tools for different jobs.
Using an H pattern shifter is a dying and unnecessary excise. As I wrote the Brumos car is using a sequential manual, not even an H patten. If you are teaching people to use an H patten transmission on a race track you might as well be practicing jousting. It might be enjoyable to you but it isn't really productive in the larger scheme of things.
That said I do enjoy using the H patten manual in my 356 but in a track focused car there is just no reason for it. Different tools for different jobs.
And again, why are you comparing a Rolex Cup car with a street GT3??? The only things they have in common are body shell & windshield...and manufacturer.
03-06-2013, 11:19 AM
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I think the undertone in that video of Preuninger is that they were indeed chasing the GTR - that car humiliated Porsche. In many ways they didn't have a choice but to go 4WS, PDK, and Torque vectoring, while still making a streetable car.
I'm glad we didn't end up with a turbo.
I'm glad we didn't end up with a turbo.
Sadly, the Turbo will also have all this crap, which is pointless and too much overlap between the 911 models from a technology & philosophy standpoint, IMO.
What's the point of 100 different 911 models if they all have the same crap.
03-06-2013, 11:21 AM
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Uh, they already have a 911 Turbo, and that's exactly where all this **** belonged, because the Turbo is the true GTR competitor. The GT3 is simply the "it" car, so they've instead used it's popularity as a showcase for the new gimmicks. They even admitted that 4-wheel steering was intended for the 991 Turbo, but they couldn't help themselves.
Sadly, the Turbo will also have all this crap, which is pointless and too much overlap between the 911 models from a technology & philosophy standpoint, IMO.
Sadly, the Turbo will also have all this crap, which is pointless and too much overlap between the 911 models from a technology & philosophy standpoint, IMO.
03-06-2013, 12:24 PM
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Uh, they already have a 911 Turbo, and that's exactly where all this **** belonged, because the Turbo is the true GTR competitor. The GT3 is simply the "it" car, so they've instead used it's popularity as a showcase for the new gimmicks. They even admitted that 4-wheel steering was intended for the 991 Turbo, but they couldn't help themselves.
A faster car no doubt but much further away from the true GT3 soul.
Drop 100-150lbs and provide a manual option (PDK is fine for those that want it) then I'd be a lot more interested.
03-06-2013, 01:14 PM
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Agreed. As stated elsewhere, it seems the sales guys finally succeeded in rolling over AP and this is the result - the 14% price jump is evidence enough that the margin grab is on.
A faster car no doubt but much further away from the true GT3 soul.
Drop 100-150lbs and provide a manual option (PDK is fine for those that want it) then I'd be a lot more interested.
A faster car no doubt but much further away from the true GT3 soul.
Drop 100-150lbs and provide a manual option (PDK is fine for those that want it) then I'd be a lot more interested.
03-06-2013, 02:00 PM
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Serious question: Why do a lot of people consider the GT3 a track only car? And focus on lap times and on the logic of PDK being much faster, etc, etc? I don't get it. It's a heavy, expensive car to buy and maintain.
If you want a serious track car the GT3 is not the best option. Get a Radical or something along those lines. It will be much faster, cheaper, more involving (it's "rawer", lighter, more aero, etc, etc) and a more intense experience.
For me the GT3 is the best possible "road racer" car, i.e. one that you can enjoy day to day driving and, when the opportunity arises, also take it to the track. Something that allows you to make a European roadtrip, drive in the ring and all the way back with usability yet great involvement and driving pleasure. At all speeds. Although I do get that autos are the way forward and that many people may actually really enjoy more driving with PDKs, I don't get the arguments against manual.
If you're not a professional racer you buy these cars for enjoyment, for feel, for driving pleasure. If you care about shaving 1 second off your lap times either invest in driving tuition or, again, buy a Radical, or second hand single seater.
I love manual boxes and it's a central part of driving pleasure to me. I'm saving up for that Ariel Atom, I'll keep my Cayman for road trips with the missus and the Atom for solo blasts! :-)
If you want a serious track car the GT3 is not the best option. Get a Radical or something along those lines. It will be much faster, cheaper, more involving (it's "rawer", lighter, more aero, etc, etc) and a more intense experience.
For me the GT3 is the best possible "road racer" car, i.e. one that you can enjoy day to day driving and, when the opportunity arises, also take it to the track. Something that allows you to make a European roadtrip, drive in the ring and all the way back with usability yet great involvement and driving pleasure. At all speeds. Although I do get that autos are the way forward and that many people may actually really enjoy more driving with PDKs, I don't get the arguments against manual.
If you're not a professional racer you buy these cars for enjoyment, for feel, for driving pleasure. If you care about shaving 1 second off your lap times either invest in driving tuition or, again, buy a Radical, or second hand single seater.
I love manual boxes and it's a central part of driving pleasure to me. I'm saving up for that Ariel Atom, I'll keep my Cayman for road trips with the missus and the Atom for solo blasts! :-)
03-06-2013, 02:20 PM
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Serious question: Why do a lot of people consider the GT3 a track only car? And focus on lap times and on the logic of PDK being much faster, etc, etc? I don't get it. It's a heavy, expensive car to buy and maintain.
If you want a serious track car the GT3 is not the best option. Get a Radical or something along those lines. It will be much faster, cheaper, more involving (it's "rawer", lighter, more aero, etc, etc) and a more intense experience.
For me the GT3 is the best possible "road racer" car, i.e. one that you can enjoy day to day driving and, when the opportunity arises, also take it to the track. Something that allows you to make a European roadtrip, drive in the ring and all the way back with usability yet great involvement and driving pleasure. At all speeds. Although I do get that autos are the way forward and that many people may actually really enjoy more driving with PDKs, I don't get the arguments against manual.
If you're not a professional racer you buy these cars for enjoyment, for feel, for driving pleasure. If you care about shaving 1 second off your lap times either invest in driving tuition or, again, buy a Radical, or second hand single seater.
I love manual boxes and it's a central part of driving pleasure to me. I'm saving up for that Ariel Atom, I'll keep my Cayman for road trips with the missus and the Atom for solo blasts! :-)
If you want a serious track car the GT3 is not the best option. Get a Radical or something along those lines. It will be much faster, cheaper, more involving (it's "rawer", lighter, more aero, etc, etc) and a more intense experience.
For me the GT3 is the best possible "road racer" car, i.e. one that you can enjoy day to day driving and, when the opportunity arises, also take it to the track. Something that allows you to make a European roadtrip, drive in the ring and all the way back with usability yet great involvement and driving pleasure. At all speeds. Although I do get that autos are the way forward and that many people may actually really enjoy more driving with PDKs, I don't get the arguments against manual.
If you're not a professional racer you buy these cars for enjoyment, for feel, for driving pleasure. If you care about shaving 1 second off your lap times either invest in driving tuition or, again, buy a Radical, or second hand single seater.
I love manual boxes and it's a central part of driving pleasure to me. I'm saving up for that Ariel Atom, I'll keep my Cayman for road trips with the missus and the Atom for solo blasts! :-)
Simply brilliant.
03-06-2013, 03:21 PM
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Very true. And, look at the **** with the centerlocks for another example of your point. They way they have handled that to date is utterly dispicable and unforgiveable. I wonder how many of the guys drinking the 991 GT3 kool aid will still be happy if the 4200 mi CL maintenance schedules applies to the new "masterpeice"?
03-06-2013, 04:53 PM
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Serious question: Why do a lot of people consider the GT3 a track only car? And focus on lap times and on the logic of PDK being much faster, etc, etc? I don't get it. It's a heavy, expensive car to buy and maintain.
If you want a serious track car the GT3 is not the best option. Get a Radical or something along those lines. It will be much faster, cheaper, more involving (it's "rawer", lighter, more aero, etc, etc) and a more intense experience.
For me the GT3 is the best possible "road racer" car, i.e. one that you can enjoy day to day driving and, when the opportunity arises, also take it to the track. Something that allows you to make a European roadtrip, drive in the ring and all the way back with usability yet great involvement and driving pleasure. At all speeds. Although I do get that autos are the way forward and that many people may actually really enjoy more driving with PDKs, I don't get the arguments against manual.
If you're not a professional racer you buy these cars for enjoyment, for feel, for driving pleasure. If you care about shaving 1 second off your lap times either invest in driving tuition or, again, buy a Radical, or second hand single seater.
I love manual boxes and it's a central part of driving pleasure to me. I'm saving up for that Ariel Atom, I'll keep my Cayman for road trips with the missus and the Atom for solo blasts! :-)
If you want a serious track car the GT3 is not the best option. Get a Radical or something along those lines. It will be much faster, cheaper, more involving (it's "rawer", lighter, more aero, etc, etc) and a more intense experience.
For me the GT3 is the best possible "road racer" car, i.e. one that you can enjoy day to day driving and, when the opportunity arises, also take it to the track. Something that allows you to make a European roadtrip, drive in the ring and all the way back with usability yet great involvement and driving pleasure. At all speeds. Although I do get that autos are the way forward and that many people may actually really enjoy more driving with PDKs, I don't get the arguments against manual.
If you're not a professional racer you buy these cars for enjoyment, for feel, for driving pleasure. If you care about shaving 1 second off your lap times either invest in driving tuition or, again, buy a Radical, or second hand single seater.
I love manual boxes and it's a central part of driving pleasure to me. I'm saving up for that Ariel Atom, I'll keep my Cayman for road trips with the missus and the Atom for solo blasts! :-)
We only differ on my happiness with a paddle-shifted Hewland FTR vs a hand-stirred box of metal I see you have Kool-aid Immunity Syndrome...
03-06-2013, 06:52 PM
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Have you found an affordable way to around that?
03-06-2013, 07:58 PM
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My only problem with that philosophy is that I'd have to have my racetrack at my home, hire someone to transport my toy back and forth to tracks, or drive a big, slow transporter of some type hundreds of miles for a few hours of fun.
Have you found an affordable way to around that?
Have you found an affordable way to around that?
03-07-2013, 10:46 AM
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Serious question: Why do a lot of people consider the GT3 a track only car? And focus on lap times and on the logic of PDK being much faster, etc, etc? I don't get it. It's a heavy, expensive car to buy and maintain.
If you want a serious track car the GT3 is not the best option. Get a Radical or something along those lines. It will be much faster, cheaper, more involving (it's "rawer", lighter, more aero, etc, etc) and a more intense experience.
For me the GT3 is the best possible "road racer" car, i.e. one that you can enjoy day to day driving and, when the opportunity arises, also take it to the track. Something that allows you to make a European roadtrip, drive in the ring and all the way back with usability yet great involvement and driving pleasure. At all speeds. Although I do get that autos are the way forward and that many people may actually really enjoy more driving with PDKs, I don't get the arguments against manual.
If you're not a professional racer you buy these cars for enjoyment, for feel, for driving pleasure. If you care about shaving 1 second off your lap times either invest in driving tuition or, again, buy a Radical, or second hand single seater.
I love manual boxes and it's a central part of driving pleasure to me. I'm saving up for that Ariel Atom, I'll keep my Cayman for road trips with the missus and the Atom for solo blasts! :-)
If you want a serious track car the GT3 is not the best option. Get a Radical or something along those lines. It will be much faster, cheaper, more involving (it's "rawer", lighter, more aero, etc, etc) and a more intense experience.
For me the GT3 is the best possible "road racer" car, i.e. one that you can enjoy day to day driving and, when the opportunity arises, also take it to the track. Something that allows you to make a European roadtrip, drive in the ring and all the way back with usability yet great involvement and driving pleasure. At all speeds. Although I do get that autos are the way forward and that many people may actually really enjoy more driving with PDKs, I don't get the arguments against manual.
If you're not a professional racer you buy these cars for enjoyment, for feel, for driving pleasure. If you care about shaving 1 second off your lap times either invest in driving tuition or, again, buy a Radical, or second hand single seater.
I love manual boxes and it's a central part of driving pleasure to me. I'm saving up for that Ariel Atom, I'll keep my Cayman for road trips with the missus and the Atom for solo blasts! :-)