Scottykenneth

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...11-992-manual/

evilfij

Poll is now 84 to 16 manual v. PDK. Shows internet fanboys do not reflect the actual market.

pitt911

I think it is a smart business move from PAG , there is some demand for manual transmission , and if you grab that segment , then you have an advantage in a very competitive market

GrantG

84 pounds is a nice weight savings

FORENN

7MT, meh.

subshooter

That's great. I like how they bundled SC with the manual at no cost. Granted the manual used to be ~$4500 less than the pdk.

I guess I'm not the only one that thinks SC is a must with a manual (both my Porsches have it). Very cool and gets rid of the nubbin for those that don't like it.

paxton

Sport package in conjunction with the manual transmission is 2K less than with PDK.

GrantG

Makes sense, since that package usually includes Sport Chrono (that is included already with Manual)

CAlexio

I would say just as importantly, is whether it comes with the flat-shift function. Anyone who has driven a 911R in anger or on track knows how much that is lacking when you're getting after it vs the GT3 manual which has this function.

GrantG

I like the flat-shift feature, but I think your comparison says more about the more powerful horses in the .2 GT3 vs. the R (although supposedly each have 500 of them) and the 500rpm higher redline.

I was recently playing at the track with my buddy who has a Touring with my .2 winged manual. I was using the flat-shift and my friend hasn’t tried it yet. Cars are pretty evenly matched (and he even saw 2mph higher Vmax at end of straight).

CAlexio

I was more referring to the ability to accelerate hard and shift as fast as your hand will move. With the R you still need a level of concentration so that you can't just focus on your right hand.. in the gt3 manual you can really slam gears home on acceleration.

I honestly cannot perceive much power difference between them.. maybe the gt3 revs a little more happily? But no, the flat shift function to me is a must-have now that I've tried it.

80p

havent driven an R or a 997RS. But is there really a benefit of flat-shifting if you have a LWFW?

GrantG

Yes, if it existed

CAlexio

LWFW is a marketing gimmick, it makes a gurgly sound at idle which is amplified by the R's low level of sound deafening. It doesn't actually DO anything, maybe the clutch in the R feels Slightly heavier than in the GT three but again, that doesn't actually make a tangible difference. The flat shifting function actually changes the way you can shift

GrantG

Light flywheels enable the engine to be more responsive - saves a significant amount of rotating mass that the engine doesn’t have to use power to spin (and revs fall more quickly when you let off the throttle). Makes it a little more tricky to start off from a stop, but otherwise it improves the experience and performance.

I have an original 73 RSR racing flywheel on my 73 911 and it definitely adds to the experience, but still easy to drive on the street.