First drive in 991 Speedster
#196
Three Wheelin'
#197
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How many mufflers on the car? I would guess 2 in line with the OPFs (or membrane in the US) and a center section. Pete are there 3 mufflers? If so, X-pipe the middle section, that should rattle our ***** some
However, what concerns me, is same output plus weight for electronics, how the hell are the next gt cars gonna be faster?????? Exhaust is non replaceable, tune is worthless on the NA. So, theres only 1 option. Maybe the whistling sound is real
However, what concerns me, is same output plus weight for electronics, how the hell are the next gt cars gonna be faster?????? Exhaust is non replaceable, tune is worthless on the NA. So, theres only 1 option. Maybe the whistling sound is real
All that said, I am not the buyer for this 911. As stated elsewhere, when it comes to 911s, I am after the roofline as part of the form factor. When it comes to convertible Porsches, I prefer 356s, 914s, certain 986/987/981s, and CGTs—this despite some standout open 911s when it came to driving dynamics and fun, among them the narrow-body 1989 Speedster, early 996 C2 Cabrio, 997 Turbo, 997 GTS Cabriolet, etc. etc.
Can anyone explain what this button does on the steering wheel? It only appears when I select the sport chrono yet it wasn’t on the NYIAS heritage car, despite it having the chrono. It also doesn’t get added on other GT cars when the chrono is selected.
is this a configurator glitch?
Early configurators are often full of them.
Back at you, Samuel...
My squirt in the 356 Speedster reminded me that Porsche is sorely missing a mechanical watch in its portfolio. The good news with all of these GT3 variants and strong sales in proportion to the Carrera-line cars is that the decision makers in the ivory tower can't ignore the messaging—people want focused drivers' cars, and are willing to pay up for them. Even if they're manual only, as with 911R, GT4, GT3T, Speedster, etc. Compare current sales to the 996 GT2/GT3 era and it's abundantly clear. Still, as Porsche sells more and more four-door vehicles, my sense is it needs something that underlines the core values behind that hood crest: More from less. Simplicity is its own elixir. I wish it was possible to lock some of the decision makers into a 356 Speedster in a beach town for a few days, or a 986 for a month, or a Fiat 500 Abarth. I also feel like we're at a juncture where it's time for a reset in terms of performance and simplicity. Perhaps EVs hold promise in this regard? Been on my mind lately. What's a RWD 901-sized coupe look like with rear motor and RWD (borrowed Taycan hardware) look like?
Still the high point for me in terms of emotion when it comes to modern Porsches. 997 RS 4.0 next, with 996.2 GT3 and 987.2 Boxster Spyder trailing a ways back. But how spoiled are we? We've had a lot of cracking cars over the last ~20 years, and every one of these models from Flacht (and many of the more "normal" 911s) adds to that library.
#198
Burning Brakes
As usual...thank you for your frank insight, Pete.
A couple questions regarding your comment:
Your description left me thinking of the GT4 derived Spyder.
1. Do you feel that PAG has either given Motorsport more leeway or have they been given marching orders to become more of a tuning house, developing softer, more "wine country cruising" options of their GT variants?
2. Also, do you think we will we be seeing a possible GT5 Cayenne Coupe or a GTx Macan, which arguably strays from the historical mission of Motorsport, much like the Spyder and now the Speedster, in order to manufacture additional customer niches?
A couple questions regarding your comment:
While this is the first Motorsport-developed Speedster and the first open Motorsport-developed 911 road car, it was set up differently to be different than a GT3 coupe for a different customer—or the same customer who will enjoy this 911 differently. It is more 911R without a roof—more road-oriented and aimed at the GT3 customer who wants to enjoy the car on a sunny day with their significant other.
Your description left me thinking of the GT4 derived Spyder.
1. Do you feel that PAG has either given Motorsport more leeway or have they been given marching orders to become more of a tuning house, developing softer, more "wine country cruising" options of their GT variants?
2. Also, do you think we will we be seeing a possible GT5 Cayenne Coupe or a GTx Macan, which arguably strays from the historical mission of Motorsport, much like the Spyder and now the Speedster, in order to manufacture additional customer niches?
#199
Is there a base sound system in the Speedster or does one need to upgrade to the Bose system to have any sound at all? Is PCM only available with this sound system upgrade?
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You're welcome, and great questions....
Your description left me thinking of the GT4 derived Spyder.
1. Do you feel that PAG has either given Motorsport more leeway or have they been given marching orders to become more of a tuning house, developing softer, more "wine country cruising" options of their GT variants?
While I see the Cayenne as a very good offering in its space, I have never liked the form over function "coupés" introduced by the CLS and Passat CC...and like the "four-door coupé" idea applied to an SUV even less. The X6 was bad enough as BMW's Aztek alongside a perfectly good looking X5, but the X6 M was a critical point along the decline of M for me—this despite its amazing turn-in—but that's just my view. YMMV, and BMW laughed all the way to the bank.
Oddly, I am not against a Cayenne or Macan from Flacht if it's sufficiently unhinged to be something more than a GTS+. I remember BMW M's crazy V12 (?) X5 for the Nürburgring, Renault's F1-spec Espace, Porsche's B32 Vanagons, and Lambo's LM002 fondly, but all of these skipped "chocolate-vanilla styling for the masses" in favor of killer mechanicals. They were something wild, and real. That's the stuff I like. If I had any say, the 4DR vehicle from Flacht that interests me is what we did a concept of for 000, calling it the Macan RC1 in honor of the rally category: A four-cylinder base Macan tuned to 350-400hp with a 6MT or 7PDK, Motorsport suspension, a brake upgrade (PCCB available), BBS FI-R wheels from Manthey, very subtle functional rear spoiler (think rally spec) and front lip, and not much else. Four LWBS for the hell of it and the show circuit. The execs don't seem to get that car, and they'd sell many more PDK than 6MT, but where do we enthusiasts go from the Golf R? The current answers aren't interesting to me, and I love the handling of the four-pot Macan. Such a vehicle at $65,000-$75,000 (or more, if nuttier) would be VERY interesting to me, and I suspect there are others.
Can't tell you this, as the one we drove was no PCM and no AC. From my experience with 991.2, however, and the lessened base radio, I'd get Bose. While not an amazing system, the 991.2 version is pretty good—and the weight penalty wouldn't bother me.
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Thanks for the review Pete.
Oddly, I am not against a Cayenne or Macan from Flacht if it's sufficiently unhinged to be something more than a GTS+. I remember BMW M's crazy V12 (?) X5 for the Nürburgring, Renault's F1-spec Espace, Porsche's B32 Vanagons, and Lambo's LM002 fondly, but all of these skipped "chocolate-vanilla styling for the masses" in favor of killer mechanicals. They were something wild, and real. That's the stuff I like. If I had any say, the 4DR vehicle from Flacht that interests me is what we did a concept of for 000, calling it the Macan RC1 in honor of the rally category: A four-cylinder base Macan tuned to 350-400hp with a 6MT or 7PDK, Motorsport suspension, a brake upgrade (PCCB available), BBS FI-R wheels from Manthey, very subtle functional rear spoiler (think rally spec) and front lip, and not much else. Four LWBS for the hell of it and the show circuit. The execs don't seem to get that car, and they'd sell many more PDK than 6MT, but where do we enthusiasts go from the Golf R? The current answers aren't interesting to me, and I love the handling of the four-pot Macan. Such a vehicle at $65,000-$75,000 (or more, if nuttier) would be VERY interesting to me, and I suspect there are others.
This is an interesting statement. I for one feel you guys did a great job with your hypothetical Macan.
Back while I still had my GTI, our Cayenne was in the shop and I had a Macan Sport edition loaner. It really reminded me of my GTI in terms of power delivery, feel, etc., just slightly taller and more luxurious. It really was the perfect progression on from the Golf R. Bigger, but not so much bigger that it didn't drive with the same sort of aplomb. The lightness of the engine (remember that the Macan is based on the old Q5 platform which has the engine COMPLETELY in front of the front axle-line) really made the chassis come alive in a way that no Macan S or even Turbo I have driven has. It really was a delight to drive. Of course, the near $60k price for a car with no nav(!) and pleather / alcantara seats was pretty galling. But it was a fun thing to toss around.
Oddly, I am not against a Cayenne or Macan from Flacht if it's sufficiently unhinged to be something more than a GTS+. I remember BMW M's crazy V12 (?) X5 for the Nürburgring, Renault's F1-spec Espace, Porsche's B32 Vanagons, and Lambo's LM002 fondly, but all of these skipped "chocolate-vanilla styling for the masses" in favor of killer mechanicals. They were something wild, and real. That's the stuff I like. If I had any say, the 4DR vehicle from Flacht that interests me is what we did a concept of for 000, calling it the Macan RC1 in honor of the rally category: A four-cylinder base Macan tuned to 350-400hp with a 6MT or 7PDK, Motorsport suspension, a brake upgrade (PCCB available), BBS FI-R wheels from Manthey, very subtle functional rear spoiler (think rally spec) and front lip, and not much else. Four LWBS for the hell of it and the show circuit. The execs don't seem to get that car, and they'd sell many more PDK than 6MT, but where do we enthusiasts go from the Golf R? The current answers aren't interesting to me, and I love the handling of the four-pot Macan. Such a vehicle at $65,000-$75,000 (or more, if nuttier) would be VERY interesting to me, and I suspect there are others.
Back while I still had my GTI, our Cayenne was in the shop and I had a Macan Sport edition loaner. It really reminded me of my GTI in terms of power delivery, feel, etc., just slightly taller and more luxurious. It really was the perfect progression on from the Golf R. Bigger, but not so much bigger that it didn't drive with the same sort of aplomb. The lightness of the engine (remember that the Macan is based on the old Q5 platform which has the engine COMPLETELY in front of the front axle-line) really made the chassis come alive in a way that no Macan S or even Turbo I have driven has. It really was a delight to drive. Of course, the near $60k price for a car with no nav(!) and pleather / alcantara seats was pretty galling. But it was a fun thing to toss around.
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Funny that you mention an early c2 996 cab stout...that was my first Porsche and what gave me the "bug"...I still miss that car!
#203
Less is More
$275-$375k. 964RS..... or if that seems unobtainable try a 981 Boxster Spyder for under $100k. At Luft I was told to try a 987 Boxster Spyder. But haven't driven it. Funny enough. Every new Speedster order I know has extensive CXX wishes. More is not enough. This is a far cry from the original Speedster concept or even my 964 Speedster.
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$275-$375k. 964RS..... or if that seems unobtainable try a 981 Boxster Spyder for under $100k. At Luft I was told to try a 987 Boxster Spyder. But haven't driven it. Funny enough. Every new Speedster order I know has extensive CXX wishes. More is not enough. This is a far cry from the original Speedster concept or even my 964 Speedster.
Also, the original speedster was the least expensive Porsche at the time.
#205
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$275-$375k. 964RS..... or if that seems unobtainable try a 981 Boxster Spyder for under $100k. At Luft I was told to try a 987 Boxster Spyder. But haven't driven it. Funny enough. Every new Speedster order I know has extensive CXX wishes. More is not enough. This is a far cry from the original Speedster concept or even my 964 Speedster.
yes, everyone now love CXX PTS LTS
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$275-$375k. 964RS..... or if that seems unobtainable try a 981 Boxster Spyder for under $100k. At Luft I was told to try a 987 Boxster Spyder. But haven't driven it. Funny enough. Every new Speedster order I know has extensive CXX wishes. More is not enough. This is a far cry from the original Speedster concept or even my 964 Speedster.
Not into manual top dances, so will stay away from Spyders until they come with an auto-top.
Funny how I’ve come full circle after 14 years of driving all sorts of sports cars on and off the track, especially Porsches. My first Porsche was a new 2006 Boxster S which I sold in 2012 after 40k miles and 70+ track days, and have been missing ever since.
May not be a coincidence that both my street Porsches now ended up being 2005 models.
#207
[QUOTE=hf1;15844322]I’ll just hold on to and drive the snot out of my “new” 987.1 Boxster S with PASM which I’m increasingly convinced may be THE best convertible sports car for my backroads ever. Just went the long backroads way to pick up ribs, steak, eggs, and two propane tanks for the grill in it yesterday. Feels like putting on a light, custom fit jacket. Not into manual top dances, so will stay away from Spyders until they come with an auto-top.
Yes. To me, this is what driving a Porsche is all about. Sorry I wasn't there to chase you and share the feast. I feel the joy in your post!
Yes. To me, this is what driving a Porsche is all about. Sorry I wasn't there to chase you and share the feast. I feel the joy in your post!
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Yes, backroads are more fun with company or a friendly chase. I’m in NW CT (Limerock area) — ping me if you’re ever here. Steaks and grill are always ready, too.