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Default Steel v. PCCB - Paul Watson

This is consistent with what I’ve read on the forums, and the reason I picked steel for my GT3.

https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2019/03...r-race-tracks/

It’s also very gutsy of Paul Watson to have said this without knowing if Porsche makes greater margins from PCCB or steel. If Paul just poo’d on PCCB and Porsche doesn’t like that, Paul maybe looking for a job. And, if he does, he’s a man to hire because he’s got integrity and, you know he’s calling it straight.

Dan (needs to forward this article to his service director who thinks PCCBs will last longer than Steel)
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The brake dust with the standard rotors is astounding. This is 1200 miles of very gentle driving, seriously gentle. For comparison, this is the same wheels with PCCBs on a 991.1 turbo cab. Not a spec.
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all I've ever needed to know about PCCB's and track use is that they are not an option on Cupcar's a car for which reducing rotational mass is an obsession and saving weight in general an obsession. PCCB's are great for street use and under normal use will last virtually forever - for track use I just can't stomach the cost to replace them when they wear out (you can literally buy an entire Honda Accord SE Hybrid for less money that just the parts for a 4 wheel PCCB's service).

PCCB's are a very very expensive track option that IMHO don't really deliver that much benefit over a good set of steel brakes.
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Oh boy, here we go! Less filling or tastes great. I’ve heard a lot of good things about the newest pccb’s standing up to track abuse. That being said, I’ve typically ordered irons if a car even has the possibility of see much track time, including my most recent RS. But, I picked up a new 1.2 gt3 manual with PCCB’s that’s going to test this theory some. Hopefully i’ll save on a few details, given the clean wheels, to offset a new set of carbon discs if it ends up being wrong
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I think that article reflects what most track guys would say.
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Originally Posted by evilfij View Post



The brake dust with the standard rotors is astounding. This is 1200 miles of very gentle driving, seriously gentle. For comparison, this is the same wheels with PCCBs on a 991.1 turbo cab. Not a spec.
that picture above is worth a thousand words, and worth it for me. I like to wash my own cars, and the worst part is that above brake dust. I passed on steel for that very reason. (:
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I'd say that entire autoblog article was researched here on Rennlist and based on a single awesome thread which has been going now for a few years. Shows the value of Rennlist
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I have irons on my .1GTS and ceramics on my .2GT3.....I can drive and have driven 4000 miles on my GT3 with maybe a hint of dust. I can drive around the block with my GTS and they will be caked with dust.
I am too old, lazy, and fat to clean wheels. worth the 9k "investment"
for me, ceramics are a life style choice lol
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Nothing new here, this isn't some groundbreaking revelation. It's fairly common knowledge that one options PCCB's for street driven cars (and PCCB's on a car also increases the potential buyer pool on resale) but swaps out to cast iron rotors for any serious track work. it's just too cost prohibitive for anyone, other than a sponsored pro race team, to run PCCB's on the track consistently.
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Why would steel brake pads dust so badly? It must be a different material?

On my 3RS.2 WP Mag, passed on the PCCB. I am considering getting a set of the Essex AP BBK.

Read reviews.. several people are having brake shudder, which they concluded was ABS activation, unsure where it was coming from. Watched a Manthey video, not sure 3RS or 2RS, they went back to the stock rear pads. Said the aftermarket pads mess up the rear electronics?
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get steels and use ceramic pads for the street to cut down on dust. Have ceramic pads on my wife's cayenne and they are almost as dust free as my PCCBs.
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Originally Posted by MJG911 View Post
get steels and use ceramic pads for the street to cut down on dust. Have ceramic pads on my wife's cayenne and they are almost as dust free as my PCCBs.
thought about doing this on my .1GTS
is there any truth to what I've read that using ceramic pads on steel rotors might accelerate rotor wear?

thx
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Originally Posted by MJG911 View Post
get steels and use ceramic pads for the street to cut down on dust. Have ceramic pads on my wife's cayenne and they are almost as dust free as my PCCBs.
that makes sence, it’s has to be the pad material.

Steels must have a more aggressive pad?
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Originally Posted by neurotic View Post
thought about doing this on my .1GTS
is there any truth to what I've read that using ceramic pads on steel rotors might accelerate rotor wear?

thx
Been using ceramic pads for years on various cars. No excessive wear noted.
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People who worry about brake dust with a GT car have the wrong car.
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