Does the GT3 have soul?
11-27-2018, 08:35 PM
#61
Rennlist Member
I got to hammer a TTS a few weeks ago late at night on a deserted road. Holy crap the speed on that car is ludicrous. All four wheels were luckily grabbing the road, or the back end would have broken free from all the torque. The car is amazing, but felt a bit bloated and too refined for me.
Anyway I’ve got a long term deposit on a GT3. By the time my name comes up it will be affordable again so I’m thinking why not just try to experience all of the great toys and enjoy each for what it is. But I’ll go to the PEC and take one for a spin before writing the big check. That TT/GT3 pairing they offer sounds like it would be a good way to go.
11-27-2018, 08:37 PM
#62
Personally I find this “soul” talk in a car inane.
Cars are objects what matters is your response to using that object. There are a million variables at play in how you respond to something like a gt3. Is it a memory of being with your dad, the feeling of hitting a perfect shift at 9k, the weight of a perfectly balanced steering wheel, driving on a track on and getting an endorphin high, or a long dark road at 2am and zero ****s given.
This isn’t the car but your response to the car. With a gt3, you should ask, do have a soul?
Cars are objects what matters is your response to using that object. There are a million variables at play in how you respond to something like a gt3. Is it a memory of being with your dad, the feeling of hitting a perfect shift at 9k, the weight of a perfectly balanced steering wheel, driving on a track on and getting an endorphin high, or a long dark road at 2am and zero ****s given.
This isn’t the car but your response to the car. With a gt3, you should ask, do have a soul?
11-27-2018, 08:45 PM
#63
Rennlist Member
Personally I find this “soul” talk in a car inane. Cars are objects what matters is your response to using that object. There are a million variables at play in how you respond to something like a gt3. Is it a memory of being with your dad, the feeling of hitting a perfect shift at 9k, the weight of a perfectly balanced steering wheel, driving on a track on a track getting an endorphins high, or a long dark road at 2am and zero ****s given. This isn’t the car but your response to the car. With a gt3, you should ask, do have a soul?
When you think about it, this is precisely the kind of thing we should be the best at discussing! Guess depreciation and paint color is easier to express...
11-27-2018, 09:25 PM
#64
No right or wrong with rear bypasses- all Personal preference
SW is very good- It takes volume from a 6 to an 8 but retains same stock tone/sound. Some love this.
GRP / GMG - Takes the Volume from a 6 to a 9.5( Just the right amt of volume- would want no more/no less). Also slightly changes tone to more bass and less shriek - more German sounding in my opinion, which I love. I also disconnected the Valves so that they are always open. Love it- no more annoying transitions which I actually could not tolerate for one second(drove me nuts). More linear sounding/feeling now for certain.
SW is very good- It takes volume from a 6 to an 8 but retains same stock tone/sound. Some love this.
GRP / GMG - Takes the Volume from a 6 to a 9.5( Just the right amt of volume- would want no more/no less). Also slightly changes tone to more bass and less shriek - more German sounding in my opinion, which I love. I also disconnected the Valves so that they are always open. Love it- no more annoying transitions which I actually could not tolerate for one second(drove me nuts). More linear sounding/feeling now for certain.
11-27-2018, 09:49 PM
#65
Race Director
i would say there is just some slight drone only between 1000-2000 but does not bother me. The reward certainly outweighs this and would have it no other way.
11-27-2018, 10:02 PM
#66
No right or wrong with rear bypasses- all Personal preference
SW is very good- It takes volume from a 6 to an 8 but retains same stock tone/sound. Some love this.
GRP / GMG - Takes the Volume from a 6 to a 9.5( Just the right amt of volume- would want no more/no less). Also slightly changes tone to more bass and less shriek - more German sounding in my opinion, which I love. I also disconnected the Valves so that they are always open. Love it- no more annoying transitions which I actually could not tolerate for one second(drove me nuts). More linear sounding/feeling now for certain.
SW is very good- It takes volume from a 6 to an 8 but retains same stock tone/sound. Some love this.
GRP / GMG - Takes the Volume from a 6 to a 9.5( Just the right amt of volume- would want no more/no less). Also slightly changes tone to more bass and less shriek - more German sounding in my opinion, which I love. I also disconnected the Valves so that they are always open. Love it- no more annoying transitions which I actually could not tolerate for one second(drove me nuts). More linear sounding/feeling now for certain.
With regard to the below 4k "quietness". It isn't really all that quiet and, if you have neighbors (most people do), you may want to consider not waking the entire block when firing up your car in the morning. Well, maybe you do. Again, this car with this exhaust setup is turning me into a middle aged hooligan.
11-27-2018, 10:06 PM
#67
11-27-2018, 10:29 PM
#68
Three Wheelin'
Wonder what factory race guy would say about quality of Akrapovic?
11-28-2018, 10:10 AM
#69
11-28-2018, 12:36 PM
#70
Race Director
Personally I find this “soul” talk in a car inane. Cars are objects what matters is your response to using that object. There are a million variables at play in how you respond to something like a gt3. Is it a memory of being with your dad, the feeling of hitting a perfect shift at 9k, the weight of a perfectly balanced steering wheel, driving on a track on and getting an endorphin high, or a long dark road at 2am and zero ****s given.
This isn’t the car but your response to the car. With a gt3, you should ask, do have a soul?
This isn’t the car but your response to the car. With a gt3, you should ask, do have a soul?
11-29-2018, 04:46 PM
#72
Strange question, but it's a thing for me. Looking at purchasing this car but I have not driven one. I've had cars in the past that have soul and some that don't. My first car that had soul was a 1972 Fiat Spider. It vibrated, gauges were jumpy, raspy exhaust, smelled like burning oil and cracked leather (actually did not break down that much haha), but man did it have soul. You just felt alive in that car. It communicated and you felt like you were apart of it. I had an '87 Carrera - that car had soul. I had a BMW M4, that thing was a rocket and made you feel alive driving it to the limits. I currently have a 2015 GTS. Drive it like it's meant to be, a few autocrosses, couple of track days. However, not much soul for me. I don't know what it is, it just feels . . . ok. In case someone chimes in about PDK v. Manual, the GTS is PDK but my M4 was dual clutch also. What I really liked about the M4 was instant torque and power. The wind up of rpm's in the GTS sounds great, but you're traveling pretty fast to get there. Am I spoiled with the rush of instant torque in a dual turbo M4? Not sure. It's also not about speed, I also have a Range Rover Sport with the supercharged V8 - that boat definitely has soul - just makes you smile and sounds like a muscle car.
The point of this post is that the GT3 is a big step up financially. Is it really that good? That much better than a GTS? Does it just make you grin ear to ear when you drive it? Does it have soul or do we just say it does because there is a little group think here and we want to have affirmation of our purchase?
Thanks for comments.
The point of this post is that the GT3 is a big step up financially. Is it really that good? That much better than a GTS? Does it just make you grin ear to ear when you drive it? Does it have soul or do we just say it does because there is a little group think here and we want to have affirmation of our purchase?
Thanks for comments.
11-29-2018, 05:43 PM
#73
Race Director
11-29-2018, 05:55 PM
#74
My redmax 8500 leaf blower has more soul than F80 M3. I swear that I have not found a sports car as soulless as I have F80 M3. And I actually truly find that commercial leaf blower amazing to run. Yes I find leaf blowing fun and generally therapeutic.
11-29-2018, 07:08 PM
#75
