GT Inflations: Is this all our fault?
03-30-2018, 11:28 AM
#16
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Honestly, if $20-25k bothers you, you shouldn't be purchasing a $150k car...
03-30-2018, 11:50 AM
#17
It's all relative.... so it simply doesn't matter ....
We should set up a monthly pool on RL where everybody throws in a Benjamin and bets on how many of these ADM/Value/flipper threads there will be each month....now there's an idea.
The other idea, is to have a subcategory in the forum for value/whining threads.
We should set up a monthly pool on RL where everybody throws in a Benjamin and bets on how many of these ADM/Value/flipper threads there will be each month....now there's an idea.
The other idea, is to have a subcategory in the forum for value/whining threads.
Last edited by vodavoda; 03-30-2018 at 12:25 PM.
03-30-2018, 12:06 PM
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It's a self-fulfilling prophesy type of thing - many people buy GT cars ONLY because they are not depreciating or are hard to get, and that in turn makes them depreciate less and harder to get. So no, "we", people who buy these cars to drive and enjoy without looking at them as a store of value or a gambling chip are not at fault because Porsche produces more than enough cars for us. But once half or more of cars are sequestered like gold bars in vaults and the rest is resold by scalpers like rock band tickets because they know demand is bigger than the remaining supply, you have what we have with GT cars now. It's even worse when this happens to houses or other essential things.
03-30-2018, 12:23 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by fxz
they are not limited
they are simply fooling you
if you are porsche junkee buy a used one
or go another brand
they are simply fooling you
if you are porsche junkee buy a used one
or go another brand
Originally Posted by cox1974
No adm in Italy from dealer....if they have the allocation and they decide to sell to you the car, they can give you a discount or not. . Stop...
I bought my first Porsche (gt4) with no discount .. For the gt3 they gave me a 7% discount .
I bought my first Porsche (gt4) with no discount .. For the gt3 they gave me a 7% discount .
03-30-2018, 12:24 PM
#20
Originally Posted by Airbag997
Honestly, if $20-25k bothers you, you shouldn't be purchasing a $150k car...
Also re: another comment. If you're a repeat customer buying cars from a dealer but paying for depreciation you're still extracting some value. (you're driving cool cars) Just paying ADM straight up you're not really getting any value for your money imo.
03-30-2018, 12:25 PM
#21
I find these ADM threads exhausting. I believe in a free market. Simple.
Yesterday I literally bought a lovely brand new Toyota for $10k under MSRP.
Am I bad for trying to buy it for less than MSRP, if I can?
Is the dealer bad for trying to sell something for more than MSRP, if he can?
I think we all know the answer to this...
Yesterday I literally bought a lovely brand new Toyota for $10k under MSRP.
Am I bad for trying to buy it for less than MSRP, if I can?
Is the dealer bad for trying to sell something for more than MSRP, if he can?
I think we all know the answer to this...
Last edited by FLGT; 03-30-2018 at 04:29 PM.
03-30-2018, 12:39 PM
#22
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+1.......supply and demand 101, relatively speaking with these cars and if you have a few extra bucks you buy it at the going price......GT3s are not collectible cars because so many units produced. They are cars with some nice special features compared to other mainstream cars and are bought and driven.....they may go a little faster, handle better than average car..........once used we sell um.........
03-30-2018, 12:46 PM
#23
To hold to your point, if you don't have money as you say to "throw away," then don't buy with the ADM, hold out for prices to stabilize, don't shop at Whole Foods, and you can get to "a place financially" where you can afford a new GT3,
The take home is:
1. We are not entitled to anything
2. Something is worth whatever someone is willing pay
3. Porsche, Porsche dealers, Porsche sales people, etc. are not your friends, they are doing their job
4. Porsche is a great company, makes a great product (thus the demand), and GT cars are special
5. They should just have a garbage can at the entrance of Whole Foods with a picture of a wallet positioned over it.
Last edited by vodavoda; 03-30-2018 at 03:12 PM.
03-30-2018, 01:41 PM
#24
I think everyone makes great points, I usually buy at MSRP but sold an RS above that and then 3 months later bought another RS at a markup. Yep it is the market we are in. The issue I think is that we have been spoiled. Other manufacturers have great cars that compete with the GTs but at a much higher price. Getting a GT car at MSRP is a relative steal and now that ADMs have kind of taken this away, many feel like the company has let us down. The fact is it hasn't and the market has caught up to the cars. For me there just aren't any better cars at this price point and even with an ADM they still are arguably better cars, but now that these cars are approaching their competition, I'm now looking at buying the competition......Still love my cars and still respect the hell out of the manufacturers and look forward to driving everything I can get my hands on
03-30-2018, 02:46 PM
#25
Yea, we are our own worst enemies. It's not the ADM that's the problem, but rather manipulation of the system. Dealers working with certain customers with intention of flipping/selling allocations. LACK OF TRANSPARENCY
03-30-2018, 02:53 PM
#26
Burning Brakes
I would have to disagree, as on real estate deals of $2MM plus I am still trying to move the needle my way by $25,000 increments. I don't think an individual's dislike for paying an ADM has anything whatsoever to do with whether they should buy a somewhat expensive car.
03-30-2018, 03:54 PM
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The take home is:
1. We are not entitled to anything
2. Something is worth whatever someone is willing pay
3. Porsche, Porsche dealers, Porsche sales people, etc. are not your friends, they are doing their job
4. Porsche is a great company, makes a great product (thus the demand), and GT cars are special
5. They should just have a garbage can at the entrance of Whole Foods with a picture of a wallet positioned over it.
1. We are not entitled to anything
2. Something is worth whatever someone is willing pay
3. Porsche, Porsche dealers, Porsche sales people, etc. are not your friends, they are doing their job
4. Porsche is a great company, makes a great product (thus the demand), and GT cars are special
5. They should just have a garbage can at the entrance of Whole Foods with a picture of a wallet positioned over it.
03-30-2018, 04:47 PM
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Let's remember that "demand" means US competing and bidding against each other to get the cars. Thread's which rationalize paying ADM ("you only live once," "if you can't afford ADM, you can't afford the car," etc.) just foster people outbidding each other.
"We have met the enemy, and he is us."
"We have met the enemy, and he is us."
03-30-2018, 04:54 PM
#30
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just kidding