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Under that guise-
A better question is:
What are the best executed cars of all time?
91-94 NSX
MIATA
993
Lancer Evo IX
BMW e36 lightweight M3
CGT
F40
959
CLK63 Black Series 2008-9
Shelby 350R
Viper AcrX
675LT
4.0RS
Mazda CX9 2017
Bmw M2
F12 TDF
458 speciale
Bentley Continental Supersports
huracan performante
P1
918
911R
2016 Boxster Spyder
570 Spider
Raptor
Challenger Hellcat
RS4 sedan 2007-8
964RS
993 GT2
SLS Black Series
997 RS.1
GTR Nismo
G550 4x4^2
VW GTi
There are a few more but each of these executed EXACTLY what they're intended to do. The trailer matched the movie. They stand out as a class leader or a great daily or whatever they were supposed to do.
I have owned, driven or tracked all of these except an F40. Some notable omissions but I can only rate what I know.
A better question is:
What are the best executed cars of all time?
91-94 NSX
MIATA
993
Lancer Evo IX
BMW e36 lightweight M3
CGT
F40
959
CLK63 Black Series 2008-9
Shelby 350R
Viper AcrX
675LT
4.0RS
Mazda CX9 2017
Bmw M2
F12 TDF
458 speciale
Bentley Continental Supersports
huracan performante
P1
918
911R
2016 Boxster Spyder
570 Spider
Raptor
Challenger Hellcat
RS4 sedan 2007-8
964RS
993 GT2
SLS Black Series
997 RS.1
GTR Nismo
G550 4x4^2
VW GTi
There are a few more but each of these executed EXACTLY what they're intended to do. The trailer matched the movie. They stand out as a class leader or a great daily or whatever they were supposed to do.
I have owned, driven or tracked all of these except an F40. Some notable omissions but I can only rate what I know.
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Originally Posted by Airbag997
The GTI is even better IMO. The only car I fell in love with was my E46 M3 competition package.....what a great car.
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Originally Posted by Akunob
Wow, C.J. is the CGT that epic? Have never driven one but from the sounds of it, it checks a lot of boxes! Those are some great cars you list there...
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And I don't mean own as in "investment type of ownership" but own as in living with it day to day, maintenance, up keep, insurance, etc.
Love to drive a CGT. Wouldn't want to own one.
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Lots of great cars out there at many price levels. A lot of the ratings are subjective, however. While there are many desirable attributes that could almost be universal, some like brunettes and some like blondes. And certainly, it would be wrong to chose one based on other’s opinions.
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Golf r really? Go drive the new civic type r. It drives great but the cheapness is harder to overlook than the over aggressive looks. I was more impress than the mk3 ttrs with is a very good driving car.
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If you are going to spend $40k on a VW then why not stretch out for $20K more for the 650HP 650 lb-ft of torque ZL1 Camaro? I have a buddy
who is a cardiologist and he likes it more than his Z06. If you get one a couple years old with less than 30,000 miles for around for $30,000
Thats got to be a fun car for that price and a lot less than that ugly Civic R. Geesh that whole Honda line is EXACTLY what happens when you have design by committee. I'm surprised it wasn't designed by GM actually.
who is a cardiologist and he likes it more than his Z06. If you get one a couple years old with less than 30,000 miles for around for $30,000
Thats got to be a fun car for that price and a lot less than that ugly Civic R. Geesh that whole Honda line is EXACTLY what happens when you have design by committee. I'm surprised it wasn't designed by GM actually.
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If you are going to spend $40k on a VW then why not stretch out for $20K more for the 650HP 650 lb-ft of torque ZL1 Camaro? I have a buddy
who is a cardiologist and he likes it more than his Z06. If you get one a couple years old with less than 30,000 miles for around for $30,000
Thats got to be a fun car for that price and a lot less than that ugly Civic R. Geesh that whole Honda line is EXACTLY what happens when you have design by committee. I'm surprised it wasn't designed by GM actually.
who is a cardiologist and he likes it more than his Z06. If you get one a couple years old with less than 30,000 miles for around for $30,000
Thats got to be a fun car for that price and a lot less than that ugly Civic R. Geesh that whole Honda line is EXACTLY what happens when you have design by committee. I'm surprised it wasn't designed by GM actually.
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Funny you should say that Guilia, doc (same doc) has the Guilia and absolutely loves it. I guess when you’re a cardiologist you get to have lots of cars. Had me intrigued and wanted to buy one for eh-hem, the wife, eh-hem, but she wanted a Subaru
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If you are going to spend $40k on a VW then why not stretch out for $20K more for the 650HP 650 lb-ft of torque ZL1 Camaro? I have a buddy
who is a cardiologist and he likes it more than his Z06. If you get one a couple years old with less than 30,000 miles for around for $30,000
Thats got to be a fun car for that price and a lot less than that ugly Civic R. Geesh that whole Honda line is EXACTLY what happens when you have design by committee. I'm surprised it wasn't designed by GM actually.
who is a cardiologist and he likes it more than his Z06. If you get one a couple years old with less than 30,000 miles for around for $30,000
Thats got to be a fun car for that price and a lot less than that ugly Civic R. Geesh that whole Honda line is EXACTLY what happens when you have design by committee. I'm surprised it wasn't designed by GM actually.
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Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban
Under that guise-
A better question is:
What are the best executed cars of all time?
997 RS.1
There are a few more but each of these executed EXACTLY what they're intended to do. The trailer matched the movie. They stand out as a class leader or a great daily or whatever they were supposed to do.
I have owned, driven or tracked all of these except an F40. Some notable omissions but I can only rate what I know.
A better question is:
What are the best executed cars of all time?
997 RS.1
There are a few more but each of these executed EXACTLY what they're intended to do. The trailer matched the movie. They stand out as a class leader or a great daily or whatever they were supposed to do.
I have owned, driven or tracked all of these except an F40. Some notable omissions but I can only rate what I know.
CJ, you list 997 RS.1. Seems like it's always slighted as a cosmetic-only update to the 997.1 gt3. And, performance-wise, the red-headed middle step child between 996gt3 and 997.2rs darlings. Looks-wise, maybe you could argue it's the best of them all (but that's totally subjective)?
I have a soft-spot for my 997.1rs because a 997.1gt3 was my first ever 911. Even the first click of the 3.6 Mezger turning over is a nostalgic event for me. However, I'm curious why you listed the 997 rs.1 as perfectly executed car over its older and younger siblings? I realize 7-4.0 is listed. So maybe the 3.8 falls short JUST for that reason?
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This has gone way OT. So, why not one more:
CJ, you list 997 RS.1. Seems like it's always slighted as a cosmetic-only update to the 997.1 gt3. And, performance-wise, the red-headed middle step child between 996gt3 and 997.2rs darlings. Looks-wise, maybe you could argue it's the best of them all (but that's totally subjective)?
I have a soft-spot for my 997.1rs because a 997.1gt3 was my first ever 911. Even the first click of the 3.6 Mezger turning over is a nostalgic event for me. However, I'm curious why you listed the 997 rs.1 as perfectly executed car over its older and younger siblings? I realize 7-4.0 is listed. So maybe the 3.8 falls short JUST for that reason?
CJ, you list 997 RS.1. Seems like it's always slighted as a cosmetic-only update to the 997.1 gt3. And, performance-wise, the red-headed middle step child between 996gt3 and 997.2rs darlings. Looks-wise, maybe you could argue it's the best of them all (but that's totally subjective)?
I have a soft-spot for my 997.1rs because a 997.1gt3 was my first ever 911. Even the first click of the 3.6 Mezger turning over is a nostalgic event for me. However, I'm curious why you listed the 997 rs.1 as perfectly executed car over its older and younger siblings? I realize 7-4.0 is listed. So maybe the 3.8 falls short JUST for that reason?
7.1RS was my first 911 also, so I'm probably a bit biased as well. But that launch orange and black livery is iconic, and IMO really started the modern era GT car craze. 996 lacked the looks, 997.2RS was certainly a faster, more aggressive car, but I don't think it created quite the emotional response that the .1RS did.
Pretty sure my Rennlist join date of late 2007 corroborates that emotional response. I bet I watched that track launch video 100 times when it first came out. I would guess the uptick in Rennlist subscribers in that timeframe is also quite high.
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Why the RS.1? With all due respect to 996 RS (a 997 is a 997)
1) a shocking bold launch color
2) hyped to the moon- delivered.
3) EXTREMELY RELIABLE (45+ track days in mine)
4) no centerlocks so Track nuts like me could trailer their car, slap Hoosier tires on and do 3 day mancations across the region and then come home, change oil, pads, etc and go do it again. All solo with no pit crew.
5) it made rennlist better. NO BS about PTS etc. just camber, alignment, trail braking, etc. posting track lap videos! It elevated ownership in a golden age of semi tech.
6) it really only had two issues: putting in bucket seats and a rear main seal leak from people letting their cars sit. But RMS was covered under warranty.
7) looked exactly like the cup car.
8) amazing gearbox - unkillable.
While I love the 3.8RS, it was simply an incremental improvement - they literally took what we were doing to modify our .1's for the track (lower control arms, bucket seats, cup car final drive, exhaust mod, trying to get to 450hp) and simply made the car like that out of the box.
The 4.0 was a HUGE league above the 3.6 but the 3.8 was basically as good as my 40 track day modded 3.6. And the 3.8 ushered in all these fruitcake options that turned rennlist from the colosseum into fashion week.
1) a shocking bold launch color
2) hyped to the moon- delivered.
3) EXTREMELY RELIABLE (45+ track days in mine)
4) no centerlocks so Track nuts like me could trailer their car, slap Hoosier tires on and do 3 day mancations across the region and then come home, change oil, pads, etc and go do it again. All solo with no pit crew.
5) it made rennlist better. NO BS about PTS etc. just camber, alignment, trail braking, etc. posting track lap videos! It elevated ownership in a golden age of semi tech.
6) it really only had two issues: putting in bucket seats and a rear main seal leak from people letting their cars sit. But RMS was covered under warranty.
7) looked exactly like the cup car.
8) amazing gearbox - unkillable.
While I love the 3.8RS, it was simply an incremental improvement - they literally took what we were doing to modify our .1's for the track (lower control arms, bucket seats, cup car final drive, exhaust mod, trying to get to 450hp) and simply made the car like that out of the box.
The 4.0 was a HUGE league above the 3.6 but the 3.8 was basically as good as my 40 track day modded 3.6. And the 3.8 ushered in all these fruitcake options that turned rennlist from the colosseum into fashion week.
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