Georg Kacher calling it - 992 GT3 is turbo (410kw)
#1
Three Wheelin'
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Georg Kacher calling it - 992 GT3 is turbo (410kw)
Georg is a very well respected automotive journalist, and in this article he calls it (with some details, eg 410kw flat 6 turbo motor with 8 speed PDK). The end really is with us. Sad days for those of us who love NA cars...
https://www.motormag.com.au/news/180...be-400kw-turbo
Article also mentions 992 will introduce hybrid 911.
https://www.motormag.com.au/news/180...be-400kw-turbo
According to MOTOR’s European Editor, Georg Kacher, the next-generation 911 GT3 – part of the all-new ‘992’ lineup – will feature a turbocharged flat-six producing around 410kW fed through an eight-speed PDK gearbox. This is a substantial increase over the 368kW produced by the current 991.2 GT3’s 4.0-litre flat-six and forced induction will increase torque by a far greater percentage. The 550Nm developed by the 911 GTS’s 3.0-litre twin-turbo flat-six is already well in excess of the current GT3’s 460Nm.
#2
This is just getting out of hand - let's look at it from a few perspectives. The GT3 is a track focused car, when the 997's were done it was "great, the metzger is gone... no need to buy this new 991.1 as it's bigger (physically), and the engine isn't Motorsports derived". Along with, "no manual, won't buy it". Fast forward and I think it's safe to say that the new platform didn't rob the 997 of its glory, and certainly proved to be a faster car which people admit.
Now, the new 992 could be a turbo? Well, we know a few things, it won't underperform the current cars - if proof is needed, I think the GTE class in IMSA speaks for itself in that the turbo's are the ones stealing the show and taking the biggest BoP adjustments.
Personally, I've got some faith in whatever direction Porsche goes, anything new that rolls out will a) be a step forward from a performance standpoint, and b) things change and evolve, this happens to be a fact that NA cars are losing to newer setups. Ie compare the 991.2 GT2 RS to past cars; even the current 991.2 GT3.
Now, the new 992 could be a turbo? Well, we know a few things, it won't underperform the current cars - if proof is needed, I think the GTE class in IMSA speaks for itself in that the turbo's are the ones stealing the show and taking the biggest BoP adjustments.
Personally, I've got some faith in whatever direction Porsche goes, anything new that rolls out will a) be a step forward from a performance standpoint, and b) things change and evolve, this happens to be a fact that NA cars are losing to newer setups. Ie compare the 991.2 GT2 RS to past cars; even the current 991.2 GT3.
#3
Three Wheelin'
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This is just getting out of hand - let's look at it from a few perspectives. The GT3 is a track focused car, when the 997's were done it was "great, the metzger is gone... no need to buy this new 991.1 as it's bigger (physically), and the engine isn't Motorsports derived". Along with, "no manual, won't buy it". Fast forward and I think it's safe to say that the new platform didn't rob the 997 of its glory, and certainly proved to be a faster car which people admit.
Now, the new 992 could be a turbo? Well, we know a few things, it won't underperform the current cars - if proof is needed, I think the GTE class in IMSA speaks for itself in that the turbo's are the ones stealing the show and taking the biggest BoP adjustments.
Personally, I've got some faith in whatever direction Porsche goes, anything new that rolls out will a) be a step forward from a performance standpoint, and b) things change and evolve, this happens to be a fact that NA cars are losing to newer setups. Ie compare the 991.2 GT2 RS to past cars; even the current 991.2 GT3.
Now, the new 992 could be a turbo? Well, we know a few things, it won't underperform the current cars - if proof is needed, I think the GTE class in IMSA speaks for itself in that the turbo's are the ones stealing the show and taking the biggest BoP adjustments.
Personally, I've got some faith in whatever direction Porsche goes, anything new that rolls out will a) be a step forward from a performance standpoint, and b) things change and evolve, this happens to be a fact that NA cars are losing to newer setups. Ie compare the 991.2 GT2 RS to past cars; even the current 991.2 GT3.
Is arguably better than this watch:
Doesnt mean that I want it more though...
#6
The angst over the loss of NA will subside as soon as we realize that all cars with ICE will have been outlawed by a number of countries over the next 15 years.
Last edited by James Walker; 01-30-2018 at 10:05 AM.
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#8
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Anyhow, we can all wring our hands at the news. That is, until the new turbo GT3's start passing the old GT3's at the track like they are standing still. Then, let's see who will still want the NA cars as a track car over the faster and better turbos. If/when this happens, I for one will "upgrade", definitely.
#9
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Good point BUT I would politely counter that with the majority of GT3s will not be track cars, the Touring is a blatant reminder of how much buyers want that NA engine on the street.
LOL!!!
Anyhow, we can all wring our hands at the news. That is, until the new turbo GT3's start passing the old GT3's at the track like they are standing still. Then, let's see who will still want the NA cars as a track car over the faster and better turbos. If/when this happens, I for one will "upgrade", definitely.
Anyhow, we can all wring our hands at the news. That is, until the new turbo GT3's start passing the old GT3's at the track like they are standing still. Then, let's see who will still want the NA cars as a track car over the faster and better turbos. If/when this happens, I for one will "upgrade", definitely.
#10
Three Wheelin'
I'm not looking forward to turbo GT cars, not at all. I like these cars for their rawness and harshness. But I also like Porsche for their racing efforts. If they have to go turbo to win races, so be it, winning races trumps all else. And if Porsche has to go turbo in the GT cars, it has to be a race derived engine. One with a revvy character and an aggressive soundtrack. If there is one brand that can do that with a turbo engine, I suspect it will be Porsche. If they fail, well, then we just don't buy the car.
#11
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Fair point, but the GT3, despite the acronym meaning Grand Touring, is designed primarily to be a track car, and is only secondarily a street car. Like a Cup Car that you can drive on the street. It might, indeed, drive the strictly street drivers away, but to a track rat like me, I kinda like the idea. It might get rid of the silly ADMs and unavailability issues. I mean that in a nice way.
#12
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The new car will be INSANE...it's just not going to have that same NA Gt3 wonder. I only drive these things on the street nowadays, as do most people, and if it goes to the track, it's just for fun...not really wringing out lap times. So for ME that NA motor will be a sad loss. I'm sure for those tracking, the new car will RIP it though!
#13
No. They won't. They might be prohibited from new sales, but we'll all be dead and buried before ICE cars are fully off the roads in any country in this world. It's simply too cost prohibitive. So much hand wringing over nothing.
#15
This is just getting out of hand - let's look at it from a few perspectives. The GT3 is a track focused car, when the 997's were done it was "great, the metzger is gone... no need to buy this new 991.1 as it's bigger (physically), and the engine isn't Motorsports derived". Along with, "no manual, won't buy it". Fast forward and I think it's safe to say that the new platform didn't rob the 997 of its glory, and certainly proved to be a faster car which people admit.
Now, the new 992 could be a turbo? Well, we know a few things, it won't underperform the current cars - if proof is needed, I think the GTE class in IMSA speaks for itself in that the turbo's are the ones stealing the show and taking the biggest BoP adjustments.
Personally, I've got some faith in whatever direction Porsche goes, anything new that rolls out will a) be a step forward from a performance standpoint, and b) things change and evolve, this happens to be a fact that NA cars are losing to newer setups. Ie compare the 991.2 GT2 RS to past cars; even the current 991.2 GT3.
Now, the new 992 could be a turbo? Well, we know a few things, it won't underperform the current cars - if proof is needed, I think the GTE class in IMSA speaks for itself in that the turbo's are the ones stealing the show and taking the biggest BoP adjustments.
Personally, I've got some faith in whatever direction Porsche goes, anything new that rolls out will a) be a step forward from a performance standpoint, and b) things change and evolve, this happens to be a fact that NA cars are losing to newer setups. Ie compare the 991.2 GT2 RS to past cars; even the current 991.2 GT3.
I am not a track driver by any means with very little experience on an actual circuit, but I purchased my GT3 because it's a high revving naturally aspirated supercar. The jumps Porsche has made between the 997 and 991 are akin to splitting hairs IMO. Going from the Metzger to a non Motorsport derived engine isn't much of a big deal to many (given the popularity of the 991). The manual transmission was a fairly big deal, as such - Porsche reintroduced it; but going forced induction? It's a very big change.
I am sure you track junkies won't care too much and I'm sure the car will put out blistering times.. but some of us care more about the sound of the car, the aural excitement, and the overall enjoyment rather than lap times. I am not stating that the GT3 should be more about fun than lap times, but I'm merely staying why I purchased the car over a McLaren or even a Turbo S.
I just hope the 997 depreciates at a normal rate if the 992 goes forced induction. I was hoping to buy one in about 2 years since I've always wanted a GT3 with a manual, hopefully they don't shoot up in value