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Actually, my dealer offered me that car twice, and I said NO twice, since I don't plan to "flip it", monetary gains would not have been an incentive. At the GT2RS price level, I would buy a Performante all day long. I have no doubt the next GT2RS in 5 years will be even faster. No interest.
Later GT2 RS's will certainly be faster than the current one. Aside from just being faster, I could envision them moving to the racing GT3-type engine architecture (True Dry Sump with hollow crankshaft, sold lifters, etc.).
The difference this time seems to be a lot of auto journalists are reporting that the 992 GT3 is going turbo. In the past 2 months there have been a lot of articles claiming this to be the case. So it seems plausible that Porsche is trying to let the cat out of the bag.
The reason I posted this thread was because it was Georg Kacher reporting on the story, and not some buzzfeed stringer looking to score some page views.
Georg is a highly respected auto journalist, and if he states something as fact (and in this article he states this as a fact not using weasel word such as ‘potentially’ or ‘considering’) then this must be coming from a trusted source.
I think other tell tales from this article are the reference s to specific details (410kw, 8 speed PDK). My guess is that Porsche is deliberately leaking the story so as to lessen the impact when it’s formally launched. Several years of minor leaks will lessen the ‘shock value’ when the news hits. All part of brand management.
^ Yes, but it is entirely possible the turbo will come with the 992.2...he doesn't specify. That car may be 7+ years away...
And FWIW, it was widely 'reported' that the 991's longer wheelbase was to allow for hybridization. And it may very well have been, until Porsche decided not to go that route at that time...
they could begin with NA for 992.1 and move to turbo for 992.2 GT3...as Ferrari did with 458/488 platform, would be a more gradual change for Porsche enthusiasts
I'm with Eilig, my days of buying a new Porsche are over(unless its a SUV to replace my 600hp X5M). My wife will be happy. Ive chased these cars since my 996GT3 and all
the ADMS (I dont remember a AMD on the 996 but the 997s GT3s had them) There is a sadness in me too. Funny tho I started in a 993 turbo but then after many track days I drove my first GT3 and it was over because I always hated waiting on the turbo lag. The GT3 had always solved that problem, as long as your not in too high of a gear. But the PDK takes care of that. I noticed almost in every GT2 RS review the author said he missed the balance of the GT3.
But for the first time since I was 10 years old when I saw my first 911S in 1970 I don't covet a new 911. Its a weird feeling. I'll keep this one and maybe look at the ZL1s or Shelbys.
Whatever my wife will be happy.
lots talk
mostly circular
buy whatever u like. it’s ur hard earned money.
u want fast. pdk turbo etc
u want status quo manual na 991 is good
u really want to be pure and aural symphony... u have not heard a real flat six until u drove a 70-71 2.2L and then 72-73 2.4 the rs 2.7
donr try to convince other or yourself as to why u buy which. we are not ur wives or moms . just do it
Interestingly here, Frank-Steffen Walliser seems to be pouring cold water on the next GT3 going turbo:
Walliser said the next-gen car’s engine is “in the right place... it’s in the back”, and that he hopes to retain screaming naturally aspirated power for the motorsport-inspired 911 GT3 and GT3 RS.
“I would like to continue with it – it makes the car unique, it’s still a light engine,” Walliser says.
“A normally aspirated engine still fits a sports car. You cannot achieve the same with a turbocharged engine.”
The Porsche veteran, who led the engineering team behind Porsche’s 918 Hybrid supercar and its Nurburgring lap record-smashing 911 GT2 RS, says the decision to shun turbocharging for its most collectable sports cars “is mainly driven by emissions regulations” and that Porsche will hold out “as long as we can”.
Perhaps it will be as someone suggested below, the 992.1 GT3 stays NA, but then 992.2 goes turbo...
"as long as we can" would that mean until September 2018? There was a thread posted a while back with this article and a GT3 owner unsure if he could register his .2GT3 after September 2018 due to the new regulations taking effect. Seems 3 years from now when the 992 GT3s are coming off the line things will be even tighter.
I'm with Eilig, my days of buying a new Porsche are over(unless its a SUV to replace my 600hp X5M). My wife will be happy. Ive chased these cars since my 996GT3 and all
the ADMS (I dont remember a AMD on the 996 but the 997s GT3s had them) There is a sadness in me too. Funny tho I started in a 993 turbo but then after many track days I drove my first GT3 and it was over because I always hated waiting on the turbo lag. The GT3 had always solved that problem, as long as your not in too high of a gear. But the PDK takes care of that. I noticed almost in every GT2 RS review the author said he missed the balance of the GT3.
But for the first time since I was 10 years old when I saw my first 911S in 1970 I don't covet a new 911. Its a weird feeling. I'll keep this one and maybe look at the ZL1s or Shelbys.
Whatever my wife will be happy.
I understand and share that sad, weird feeling of not being excited about the "NEXT".... It's pretty much always been about the "next" for me, going all the way back to being a teenager... Now I'm 50 and feel like I've already seen the best of what I like in terms of new cars, so that's why I "spent up" and hoarded what I consider to be the "last of the best" per my taste. Now I'm done. Content that I've accumulated what I like/want, but a bit sad to see things taking the direction they are.... Well as long as I don't see complete shift to electric cars, unavailability of gasoline, or worse of all, a federal mandate requiring autonomous vehicles, all will be good.
My wife is very happy. My F-car and P-car dealers are not, because I've already told them I'll NEVER buy a turbo or hybrid vehicle. What an interesting shift of events.
The quotes "that he hopes to..." and “he would like to..." aren't very confidence inspiring.
There are a lot of things I hope for and like to have (e.g. allocations, PTS and no ADMs available to all) but sadly there is also the real world out there...
I have done the modern 911 and love it, but the next one (if there is a next one) will be an older 911. Maybe a 930 Turbo. And in 10 or 15 years a new 911 will be enough of a contrast to my “classic” 991 GT3.
The quotes "that he hopes to..." and “he would like to..." aren't very confidence inspiring.
There are a lot of things I hope for and like to have (e.g. allocations, PTS and no ADMs available to all) but sadly there is also the real world out there...
I just see this as a form of signalling. I don't see him saying this if the next GT3 is going to be turbo. My interpretation is that 992.1 is NA, but beyond that all bets are off.
01-31-2018, 04:46 PM
