MoeMistry

JC, thread like this are great because now, members here on RL can see things from our vantage point.

When buyers become more aware, hopefully we can let the manufacturers know that people care about the appearance AS WELL as what's the heart of the car.

Good news for everyone, there are skilled professionals ready to heal your new, much-to-be-desired, Porsche to a state that's now better than showroom new.

mass27

It's a shame that when you purchase a $200K car, the next steps before you drive the care are:

Paint Correction - 3K?
PFF - up to 9K per OP
Barrier (Modesta etc) - 2K?

So, up to 15K before you even get to drive the car.

Maverick787

Spot on I find it highly unacceptable to have to pay for the correction on a failed process. I don�t expect for a car to be flawless, but blemishes and scratches predelivery no way. However I will not bubble wrap 100% of the car it�s still a car, and when you sell it you will not get a dime more.

Jimmy-D

No way on pricing. I can get all of that done for less than 1/2 that price.

Paint correction with a full frontal wrap and a full car coating should be under $5000.

The mark-ups are stupid. if you do your homework you will not be taken for a ride

Haku

With no disrespect for the professionalism or opinion of anyone here, especially the OP who I know personally and respect him.

My personal mantra... "The car does not own me"

Paint correction - I'm happy with the detail my dealer does for me at delivery. They know my likes for car cleaning (new towels, etc) and respect that. Cost $0

PPF - Derek (Atlanta Protective Films) has been doing my cars for years and is awesome. I trust his advice. Each of us have our fav's. Cost approx $2200

Barrier - Carpro CQuartz which I did myself on my RS and Macan. I'm no professional but the satisfaction of doing this myself was hugely gratifying. The product served me well and I will do the same again. Cost 4-6 hours plus $80 for the product.

It's all about horses for courses and whatever makes you happy.

Whilst I find the information that the OP presents enlightening, IMO in this instance the "doom and gloom" approach of its presentation doesn't communicate his message effectively. Each of us who waits for for something we value doesn't need to be dealt a Do or Die card from the get go.

Keep things simple friends. Its a car!

BTW, I do know that squinting costs nothing and makes swirls go away!

Nick

Jimmy, the purpose of the thread is to get owners to inspect the car with a jewelers eye and generate business. I have no doubt he is honorable but the approach taken was clearly uncalled for. I would wager any detailer can find fault with every new car delivered by any manufacturer.

My point is obvious defects are corrected by the dealer or in PDI. Put a magnifying glass to paint and invariable you will find an issue. It's the detailers business to find problems.

StudGarden

At the risk of parsing words past the event horizon of sophistry, let’s agree on a realistic definition of perfection insofar as it comes to the paint on a premium car like this.

I expect excellent paint and clear coat over every square millimeter of painted surface. I do not expect subatomic perfection nor for the car to be delivered fully paint corrected (which really means clear coat corrected) and fully clay barred/random orbital buffered from the factory to the showroom floor in flawless concourse condition. That’s just unrealistic and pointless anyway.

So with that said, I don’t care, at all, about garden variety swirls and minor partial scratches into the clear coat as long as they’re commensurate with a premium brands flagship product. Btw the ugliest factory paint job I’ve ever seen was on a Bentley fwiw.

So if a new GT3 has some swirls or lines under perfect lighting at the perfect angle, only visible for the most **** connoisseur who intends to encase the car in a block of lucite for all eternity and/or spend 14 hours of back breaking manual labor for every hour spent driving it, that’s not my concern or standard.

But deep scratches and imperfections through (or even mostly through) the clear coat, let alone a crappy overspray job, are unacceptable for even a new Camry or Sonata, let alone a 150k+ Porsche.

So what exactly are we talking about here, and what can we expect if it happens and we find it unacceptable? Walk away from our “allocation” at delivery day so some spastic flipper can pounce on it? Have it returned and repainted/fixed? Swap it out for another spot on the line (assuming it’s still open by then)?

I intent to drive mine well over 100,000 miles and I’m not wrapping it. I expect normal road rash as appropriate. But I’d also expect delivery standards commensurate with its brand, price and German standards.

So how bad is this issue really?

IrishAndy

^^^^ This

STG

So a forum sponsor who is in the detailing business makes his legitimate observations to that crowd who is into detailing and he gets roasted for no reason??

If one does not see a value in these services do not do them. Very simple.

Rennlist has become the land of everyone has an opinion on everything and always having to be right or the last word. If having no interest in a thread why even bother to look or comment? No self control?

I think some people here like to argue just for the sake of doing so.

Jimmy-D

I get your point. I am lucky to have a Dealer that has there own detailers in house and cars are always delivered in good shape. You put anything under a black light and you will find faults.

Needsdecaf

Exactly. I'm sick and tired of people in general feeling like they need to argue every point, counter every fact, and be the "internet savior" every time they see something posted they don't agree with. Not everyone has ill motives in mind. Is the OP's post somewhat self serving? Of course, but I don't see it that way at all. The OP serves a very small portion of the country, and will touch a tiny percentage of GT3's hitting the ground. How much can he really gain?

If you think paint correction is unnecessary, or PPF is overkill.....move on. It's not like he's telling you something untrue.

StudGarden

I have no problem with a detailer/wrap specialist saying they notice some minor flaws that may need to be corrected to achieve perfection WRT whatever they do to the car.

I also have no problem with a general shout out for incoming deliveries for issues people are seeing on new cars. That’s not only fair, it’s mandatory in a forum like this; that’s why we’re here, especially for those ordering or waiting delivery.

I just want to fully understand what’s being said. If GT3’s are being delivered with a certain degree of imperfections...BUT...so are pretty much all cars to a similar extent, then it’s a non issue. However if whatever’s being delivered is significantly worse than other new cars in or below its class, and therefore it’s a fair to say example of shoddy standards then that’s another issue entirely.

Detailed Designs

It's impractical for me to create copy that satisfies every possible nuance or owner type and instead I opted for a, 'heads up: your paint could look like this [insert video]' approach. My internal dialog is along the lines of believing that those who care about these concerns will take note and those that don't can make a mental bookmark and move along. I am nowhere close to perfect and maybe I forgot that I did, but I do not believe I have ever said someone must or should have paint correction here or anywhere. Please quote me if I did and I am sure there would be context that explains my comment.

I've spoken with countless types of car owners and the universal truth that unites every single one is that none of them are exactly the same in what's important to them and what they care about. Value proposition is subjective and it's why I place a large emphasis on educating and then backing off and telling someone to just let me know if they feel we're the right fit for any of their needs. How is this content different than that in any possible way? I've neither said every car will look like XYZ nor have I suggested acting on the information one way or another relates to ones intelligence/character/car-enthusiast truism or whatever. Geez, it's just a heads up that the paint can look this way. Some actually do care about that and are grateful to know to keep an eye peeled for it. Maybe your dealer has the ability to fix it? Maybe they don't? That is not my personal concern. But at least ones that care can be armed with some knowledge that they may be able to leverage to get a favorable result.

There are locals that use me and there are locals that don't. They are all treated with respect and I would never intentionally or subtly twist someone's arm into using my services. Most around here likely knows who we are, what we do and where we sit with out service pricing. Just the same, if they want what we do and how we do it, they call me. I don't press locals and I definitely do not press people hundreds or thousands of miles away for business. As someone who requires clients and business to keep the lights on, I naturally must market what we do and, along with many other paying sponsors, we utilize Rennlist as one of those means. Simultaneously, sponsors create solutions for Rennlisters and help keep the servers on. This does not affect my .02 on the subject. I've turned away an obscene amount work so I could stick to my ethics. There is no good reason for me to change that for Rennlist.

I am going to stand by my assessment to-date and allow the documentation speak for itself. Either it's something important to someone or it isn't. It is not, and never has been, my job to tell anyone if it's important to them or not. But if someone wishes to debate the legitimacy of my observations, I will stand behind what I say with facts. Really...just the same anyone reading this would if someone walked in on you speaking with industry people and called you out on something you understood very well after 10+ years of practicing your craft and honing your skills.

My direct line number is in my signature. If you feel so inclined. Call me and you'll get respectfully candid answers.

Hope you gentlemen have a nice Sunday evening but I will not respond to any more negativity. Technical questions will be given my attention.

Detailed Designs

Those numbers are very high for what the average owner gets. For instance, I have had many Rennlist members request an advanced full body PPF wrap and after asking them to explain exactly what they want, I tell them the advanced is not required to hit the mark.

$3k paint correction services are wildly rare. So rare that that number is not suitable for typical use.

For us, coatings range from $1095 to $3095. Know how many have gone with the $3095 coating for me? 1 and it was a very special circumstance. I have had many ask for it but I told them it wasn't the right fit and they went with either a $1095 or $1595 coating. More is not always better.

But when it comes to a new car, the only service that could be otherwise negated by a manufacturer and dealer is the paint correction. The other services are meant to protect from impacts, enhance appearance and reward ongoing care with surfaces easier to clean that also look better for longer. No car maker is responsible to negate those added luxuries.

Archimedes

I've found Porsche paint to be pretty soft and easy to blemish, which my detailer confirmed has been their experience as well. I only had to do really major paint correction on one car, a leftover Carrera that sat on a dealership lot for a year baking in water stains. Took my guy a long time and a lot of work to make it perfect, but even that only cost me $2,300, including OptiCoat Pro Plus at the end of it all. Par for the course that you're going to have some paint correction, though big scratches, etc., should be on Porsche.