991.2 gt3 build..got an allocation at 25k over MSRP.. normal ?
09-10-2017, 08:41 PM
#106
Race Car
I think some folks are missing some key word meaning. MSRP = Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price. Not Manufacturers Required Retail Price.
As long as there are buyers willing to pay above MSRP, dealers will charge it. And frankly, they should do so. If the demand was not there, the dealer would drop it below MSRP. Would you be crying then? Even tho the dealer varied from the suggested retail price?
If you do not want to pay ADM, no big deal. Don't. But, stop calling dealers who charge fair market value for a product criminals. The dealers that charge MSRP to loyal customers are to be admired for sure. But, those that charge fair market value are likewise to be respected - it is simply wise business to maximize profit. That is the goal of business after all (balancing other variables in the process of course).
And I am no dealer. I am a lawyer. And there is no anti-trust violation in the scenario posed.
As long as there are buyers willing to pay above MSRP, dealers will charge it. And frankly, they should do so. If the demand was not there, the dealer would drop it below MSRP. Would you be crying then? Even tho the dealer varied from the suggested retail price?
If you do not want to pay ADM, no big deal. Don't. But, stop calling dealers who charge fair market value for a product criminals. The dealers that charge MSRP to loyal customers are to be admired for sure. But, those that charge fair market value are likewise to be respected - it is simply wise business to maximize profit. That is the goal of business after all (balancing other variables in the process of course).
And I am no dealer. I am a lawyer. And there is no anti-trust violation in the scenario posed.
The fact that a bunch of SoCal dealers want to charge over MSRP, yes we all know the S means Suggested some of you that is your only comeback post, is fine. Again the only irritation is the imbalance of many getting at MSRP and so many dealers then charging over MSRP. yes I know then I can take my money elsewhere to another dealer or another brand even. Got it, horse is dead.
I was only making a statement to fact that was what is going to happen and going on in SoCal. Quite frankly one dealer said his list is double the amount of his allocations deep at $30K over so the demand and people willing to pay that price is strong. The only ones at his dealer getting MSRP are the 918 VIP's. Good for them.
09-10-2017, 10:47 PM
#107
To me, there is no relationship, whatsoever, between a "free market" and the market for Porsche GT cars. Primarily because "free market" is, mostly, free of manipulators.
The players in the GT market, are all manipulators. For reasons of their own, the manufacturer manipulates supply, the dealer manipulates supply and demand. Even the consumers conspire to manipulate demand.
The rules in this GT buying game are a lot different than the rules in a free market. And to the prospective buyer/negotiator who is genuinely determined to get his /her hands on one these beautiess at a satisfying price, it's best to know the rules.
09-10-2017, 10:53 PM
#108
In GT car sales, I don't think this idea holds.
To me, there is no relationship, whatsoever, between a "free market" and the market for Porsche GT cars. Primarily because "free market" is, mostly, free of manipulators.
The players in the GT market, are all manipulators. For reasons of their own, the manufacturer manipulates supply, the dealer manipulates supply and demand. Even the consumers conspire to manipulate demand.
The rules in this GT buying game are a lot different than the rules in a free market. And to the prospective buyer/negotiator who is genuinely determined to get his /her hands on one these beautiess at a satisfying price, it's best to know the rules.
To me, there is no relationship, whatsoever, between a "free market" and the market for Porsche GT cars. Primarily because "free market" is, mostly, free of manipulators.
The players in the GT market, are all manipulators. For reasons of their own, the manufacturer manipulates supply, the dealer manipulates supply and demand. Even the consumers conspire to manipulate demand.
The rules in this GT buying game are a lot different than the rules in a free market. And to the prospective buyer/negotiator who is genuinely determined to get his /her hands on one these beautiess at a satisfying price, it's best to know the rules.
09-10-2017, 10:56 PM
#109
Race Car
In GT car sales, I don't think this idea holds.
To me, there is no relationship, whatsoever, between a "free market" and the market for Porsche GT cars. Primarily because "free market" is, mostly, free of manipulators.
The players in the GT market, are all manipulators. For reasons of their own, the manufacturer manipulates supply, the dealer manipulates supply and demand. Even the consumers conspire to manipulate demand.
The rules in this GT buying game are a lot different than the rules in a free market. And to the prospective buyer/negotiator who is genuinely determined to get his /her hands on one these beautiess at a satisfying price, it's best to know the rules.
To me, there is no relationship, whatsoever, between a "free market" and the market for Porsche GT cars. Primarily because "free market" is, mostly, free of manipulators.
The players in the GT market, are all manipulators. For reasons of their own, the manufacturer manipulates supply, the dealer manipulates supply and demand. Even the consumers conspire to manipulate demand.
The rules in this GT buying game are a lot different than the rules in a free market. And to the prospective buyer/negotiator who is genuinely determined to get his /her hands on one these beautiess at a satisfying price, it's best to know the rules.
09-11-2017, 01:56 AM
#110
09-11-2017, 02:59 AM
#111
Rennlist Member
The rules are there are no rules, civility is gone as it honesty. If you find someone who offers both, you keep that info to yourself or your dealer will get inundated and you can't get a car.
Let me be clear, I believe eery 918 owner deserves the perks they get, the special editions, the special favors etc, they earned it. However the hassle free easy purchase they get is something I think we all deserve.
Let me be clear, I believe eery 918 owner deserves the perks they get, the special editions, the special favors etc, they earned it. However the hassle free easy purchase they get is something I think we all deserve.