Autocar: 2019 Porsche 911 Cabriolet seen testing with new rear wing
08-16-2017, 03:54 PM
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Autocar: 2019 Porsche 911 Cabriolet seen testing with new rear wing
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...-new-rear-wing
I think the 992 GT3 will remain NA; we shall see.
The next Porsche 911 has been spotted in Cabriolet guise, revealing more of its design during early pre-production development.
The 911's most distinctive visible feature is its slim light bar at the back. Elsewhere, the development car takes small evolutionary steps from the current model - and the interior is expected to closely reflect that found in the second-generation Panamera.
The 992 remains the same length as today’s 991 model, but the width of the car is set to increase slightly due to wider tracks. There’s also only a minor increase in wheelbase; Porsche grew the wheelbase dramatically for the current generation to create more interior space for rear seat passengers.
The 992 will be based on what is billed as a new modular sports car platform; although, in reality, it is similar to the current 991 platform. With a modified rear end, it will be used under the next-generation versions of the entry-level Boxster and Cayman models and could also influence the design and engineering of future Audi R8 and Lamborghini Huracán models.
The eighth-generation 911 will have vastly improved active aerodynamics with a full-width rear wing. An active front spoiler is also a possibility, although this can’t be seen in these images.
The future 911 range will exclusively use turbocharged six-cylinder engines when it lands in 2019, including the GT3, marking the end of naturally aspirated units for the line-up.
The GT3 will deliver more than 500bhp, while the standard models are set to get an extra 10-15bhp over today’s Carrera and Carrera S when they arrive in 2019.
The current Carrera and Carrera S deliver 364bhp and 414bhp respectively, so the 992-generation 911 will produce 375bhp to 429bhp.
A hybrid 911 will also be introduced to the range in 2020. It will run the flat-six with an electric motor, providing limited all-electric and performance-boosting functions.
While the current facelifted 911 range has benefited from a number of weight savings, the 992 will receive even more, thanks to a greater proportion of high-strength steel and aluminium. However, carbonfibre will not be used in the structure of the standard models and will instead be reserved for high-end models such as the GT2 and GT3.
Four-wheel-drive versions will also become more efficient due to new electronic control software.
The 911's most distinctive visible feature is its slim light bar at the back. Elsewhere, the development car takes small evolutionary steps from the current model - and the interior is expected to closely reflect that found in the second-generation Panamera.
The 992 remains the same length as today’s 991 model, but the width of the car is set to increase slightly due to wider tracks. There’s also only a minor increase in wheelbase; Porsche grew the wheelbase dramatically for the current generation to create more interior space for rear seat passengers.
The 992 will be based on what is billed as a new modular sports car platform; although, in reality, it is similar to the current 991 platform. With a modified rear end, it will be used under the next-generation versions of the entry-level Boxster and Cayman models and could also influence the design and engineering of future Audi R8 and Lamborghini Huracán models.
The eighth-generation 911 will have vastly improved active aerodynamics with a full-width rear wing. An active front spoiler is also a possibility, although this can’t be seen in these images.
The future 911 range will exclusively use turbocharged six-cylinder engines when it lands in 2019, including the GT3, marking the end of naturally aspirated units for the line-up.
The GT3 will deliver more than 500bhp, while the standard models are set to get an extra 10-15bhp over today’s Carrera and Carrera S when they arrive in 2019.
The current Carrera and Carrera S deliver 364bhp and 414bhp respectively, so the 992-generation 911 will produce 375bhp to 429bhp.
A hybrid 911 will also be introduced to the range in 2020. It will run the flat-six with an electric motor, providing limited all-electric and performance-boosting functions.
While the current facelifted 911 range has benefited from a number of weight savings, the 992 will receive even more, thanks to a greater proportion of high-strength steel and aluminium. However, carbonfibre will not be used in the structure of the standard models and will instead be reserved for high-end models such as the GT2 and GT3.
Four-wheel-drive versions will also become more efficient due to new electronic control software.
08-16-2017, 04:31 PM
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Should be interesting to see if 992 GT3 is turbo. I have heard speculation that next Gen Cup car 992 may very well be Turbo. Reason is, the Cup needs to be more competitive in the Pro race series and one way to do that is to Turbo the thing. We shall see. I personally love the feel of the NA engine in my 991.1 Cup vs my 991.1 Turbo S. If they Turbo the next gen Cup, I really hope there is little if any turbo lag.
08-16-2017, 04:39 PM
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...-new-rear-wing
I think the 992 GT3 will remain NA; we shall see.
I think the 992 GT3 will remain NA; we shall see.
Porsche has succumbed to Ring lap times and that's not going to work out when a GTS is faster then a GT3 and a TTS is already faster - Tire for tire.
If the next GT3 is NA with 500 HP but 150+Lb tq down on anything competition its going to be hardtop sell.
08-16-2017, 05:45 PM
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Should be interesting to see if 992 GT3 is turbo. I have heard speculation that next Gen Cup car 992 may very well be Turbo. Reason is, the Cup needs to be more competitive in the Pro race series and one way to do that is to Turbo the thing. We shall see. I personally love the feel of the NA engine in my 991.1 Cup vs my 991.1 Turbo S. If they Turbo the next gen Cup, I really hope there is little if any turbo lag.
The GT3 Cup essentially only races in one make series...
I don't see how, unless hybrid..
Porsche has succumbed to Ring lap times and that's not going to work out when a GTS is faster then a GT3 and a TTS is already faster - Tire for tire.
If the next GT3 is NA with 500 HP but 150+Lb tq down on anything competition its going to be hardtop sell.
Porsche has succumbed to Ring lap times and that's not going to work out when a GTS is faster then a GT3 and a TTS is already faster - Tire for tire.
If the next GT3 is NA with 500 HP but 150+Lb tq down on anything competition its going to be hardtop sell.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...nk-turbos.html
I've revised my position, however, based on how Porsche marketed the 911 R and reintroduced the manual into the 991.2 GT3:
Porsche has a captive audience of people who want to buy a $150-$200K car that has a high revving, high performance naturally aspirated engine, with a transmission choice. There is no real competition in the space. Limited overlap with domestic NA performance car market (Corvette, GT350) due to price, market positioning, Porsche branding, etc. The only other "competitive" car with NA is the R8 V10 / Huracan and it's not a direct competitor, obviously.
Porsche spent considerable funds to "fix" (hopefully) the engine issues of the .1 motors, and they are racing an engine based on this update.
For those reasons, I think the 992 will feature the following:
An evolved 4.0 flat six that revs to 9,000 RPM (or a bit more) that produces a bit over 500 bhp (maybe 515 bhp - they will dribble out the power bumps in small and empirically slight increments because they need to make the engine last awhile and they have to build in a margin for the successive 3RS models to have something additional for a more expensive car beyond big wing and funky color; plus, they CAN because they have such a captive audience, as detailed above).
Choice of PDK or Manual, at least in the GT3 (the engineering cost is behind them, as long as they continue evolving the same engine they will be able to offer both transmissions).
They will make the next gen Nurburgring times that are essential for marketing by using the latest tires, more aero, etc. The GT2 RS exists to take the fight to the other $300K+ cars.
For those reasons I'm confident in my decision to sit on the sidelines for the 991.2 generation and order a 992 GT3 with European Delivery in 2020/2021. If I can't buy a 992 GT3 with a high revving (9K+ 500 bhp+) engine then I'll just buy a used 991.2, but I'm willing to gamble - I've followed the company for a long time, and I believe I have a strong observational understanding about how they think about development resources.
I believe that the 992 Carrera could be shown as early as the Paris auto show in 2018 - i.e. fall of 2018 - and the final 991.2 cars will probably overlap with the new car's production, as happened with the 997.2 GT2 RS and 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0.
08-16-2017, 06:25 PM
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^^ interesting. Good arguments all and for a manual GT3, I can see it.
For PDK GT3, RS and 2RS, they have to go as fast as other go fast stuff. Certainly faster than a C2S or GTS.
500 isnt a lot anynore and 350TQ doesn't even come close anymore.
It would certainly make it a smaller niche than it has been but than again Porsche is willing to slice the 911 pie a 100 variations...
For PDK GT3, RS and 2RS, they have to go as fast as other go fast stuff. Certainly faster than a C2S or GTS.
500 isnt a lot anynore and 350TQ doesn't even come close anymore.
It would certainly make it a smaller niche than it has been but than again Porsche is willing to slice the 911 pie a 100 variations...
08-16-2017, 07:40 PM
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^^ interesting. Good arguments all and for a manual GT3, I can see it.
For PDK GT3, RS and 2RS, they have to go as fast as other go fast stuff. Certainly faster than a C2S or GTS.
500 isnt a lot anynore and 350TQ doesn't even come close anymore.
It would certainly make it a smaller niche than it has been but than again Porsche is willing to slice the 911 pie a 100 variations...
For PDK GT3, RS and 2RS, they have to go as fast as other go fast stuff. Certainly faster than a C2S or GTS.
500 isnt a lot anynore and 350TQ doesn't even come close anymore.
It would certainly make it a smaller niche than it has been but than again Porsche is willing to slice the 911 pie a 100 variations...
The GT3 (RS) is always in the headlines, always talked about, always in short supply. They don't have any trouble selling them even though they only have 500 bhp.
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08-16-2017, 11:17 PM
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08-16-2017, 11:30 PM
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I don't see how, unless hybrid..
Porsche has succumbed to Ring lap times and that's not going to work out when a GTS is faster then a GT3 and a TTS is already faster - Tire for tire.
If the next GT3 is NA with 500 HP but 150+Lb tq down on anything competition its going to be hardtop sell.
Porsche has succumbed to Ring lap times and that's not going to work out when a GTS is faster then a GT3 and a TTS is already faster - Tire for tire.
If the next GT3 is NA with 500 HP but 150+Lb tq down on anything competition its going to be hardtop sell.
08-17-2017, 12:33 PM
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08-17-2017, 01:14 PM
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(2) Is anyone racing a GT3 cup car this year? At Road America and Mid-Ohio this year I noticed a challenge car and a super trofeo being lapped multiple times in PWC races, but no cup car.
08-17-2017, 01:24 PM
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