Wow, just test drove the Cayman S
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Originally Posted by singletrack1
$56K on a $62K car is not below invoice
Regardless, its EVEN WORSE than I originally thought. And yes, there are a ton of people picking these cars up AT INVOICE...some have even purchased BELOW INVOICE..reportedly.
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Originally Posted by amerlemans
Actually invoice on a $62K CaymanS is $54K. There is an $8K mark-up. That makes it so much better now doesn't it
Regardless, its EVEN WORSE than I originally thought. And yes, there are a ton of people picking these cars up AT INVOICE...some have even purchased BELOW INVOICE..reportedly.
Regardless, its EVEN WORSE than I originally thought. And yes, there are a ton of people picking these cars up AT INVOICE...some have even purchased BELOW INVOICE..reportedly.
The only thing that scares me is that I'm certain that car was broken-in according to Porsche's recommendtions, but I'm not certain that really matters since some of the cars that weren't babbied when new seem to be the fastest.
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It isn't just Caymans selling at near invoice. Most left over 06's are going for that - whether a 911 or Boxster. I don't think leftover 06 Cayman's selling at invoice is anything abnormal. This happens every year to all car manufactorers.
If you use another poster's argument that invoice on the CS is the "true" price due to them selling at invoice, you can say the same thing about any car out there as leftover cars are all pretty much selling at invoice or lower.
Porsche doesn't traditionally subsidize dealers on leftover models like most other manufacturers do, which allows them to sell them for below invoice. They will do special lease deals, etc.
BTW - I got $5K off on a $65K 07 CS. Probably could have done better...
If you try to sell any car in the first 12 - 24 months, you are going to take a large hit. The only exception is Ferrari.
If you use another poster's argument that invoice on the CS is the "true" price due to them selling at invoice, you can say the same thing about any car out there as leftover cars are all pretty much selling at invoice or lower.
Porsche doesn't traditionally subsidize dealers on leftover models like most other manufacturers do, which allows them to sell them for below invoice. They will do special lease deals, etc.
BTW - I got $5K off on a $65K 07 CS. Probably could have done better...
If you try to sell any car in the first 12 - 24 months, you are going to take a large hit. The only exception is Ferrari.
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Originally Posted by singletrack1
It isn't just Caymans selling at near invoice. Most left over 06's are going for that - whether a 911 or Boxster. I don't think leftover 06 Cayman's selling at invoice is anything abnormal. This happens every year to all car manufactorers.
If you use another poster's argument that invoice on the CS is the "true" price due to them selling at invoice, you can say the same thing about any car out there as leftover cars are all pretty much selling at invoice or lower.
Porsche doesn't traditionally subsidize dealers on leftover models like most other manufacturers do, which allows them to sell them for below invoice. They will do special lease deals, etc.
BTW - I got $5K off on a $65K 07 CS. Probably could have done better...
If you try to sell any car in the first 12 - 24 months, you are going to take a large hit. The only exception is Ferrari.
If you use another poster's argument that invoice on the CS is the "true" price due to them selling at invoice, you can say the same thing about any car out there as leftover cars are all pretty much selling at invoice or lower.
Porsche doesn't traditionally subsidize dealers on leftover models like most other manufacturers do, which allows them to sell them for below invoice. They will do special lease deals, etc.
BTW - I got $5K off on a $65K 07 CS. Probably could have done better...
If you try to sell any car in the first 12 - 24 months, you are going to take a large hit. The only exception is Ferrari.
It all goes back to the fact that the CaymanS is somewhat overpriced.
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It all goes back to the fact that the CaymanS is somewhat overpriced.
Maybe, but it could also be that you were lucky to find the right buyer for your car. The C6 is a nice car but I would never consider buying one because of the horrible Chevy Dealers near me. The sales and service departments at these Dealers are the pits.
Maybe, but it could also be that you were lucky to find the right buyer for your car. The C6 is a nice car but I would never consider buying one because of the horrible Chevy Dealers near me. The sales and service departments at these Dealers are the pits.
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Originally Posted by fast1
It all goes back to the fact that the CaymanS is somewhat overpriced.
Maybe, but it could also be that you were lucky to find the right buyer for your car. The C6 is a nice car but I would never consider buying one because of the horrible Chevy Dealers near me. The sales and service departments at these Dealers are the pits.
Maybe, but it could also be that you were lucky to find the right buyer for your car. The C6 is a nice car but I would never consider buying one because of the horrible Chevy Dealers near me. The sales and service departments at these Dealers are the pits.
It was not just the Vette I owned, its the majority of them out there. There are guys with Z06's selling them with <5K miles for 90% or MSRP. They just tend to hold their value here in the US. I don't know why. The build quality is ****.
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There are guys with Z06's selling them with <5K miles for 90% or MSRP.
I assume that you are talking about the C6 Z06. The C5 Z06 didn't hold its value particularly well from my limited experience.
I assume that you are talking about the C6 Z06. The C5 Z06 didn't hold its value particularly well from my limited experience.
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True on the C5 Z06. Value has plummeted in the last 6 months - 1 year. I sold my 2004 Z06 in November '06 with less than 10k miles for $34k. It was a $52k car new. Now I'm looking for a replacement and need to get to the P-dealer to check out the CS in more detail. Just don't know if it's worth the extra $$$ over a Boxster S that is a little more dual-purpose for street/track. Guess I'll drive both to see.
And I'd agree that overall build quality on the vette wasn't very good - some of the parts could have come off a Cavalier. The engine, tranny and suspension were pretty stout and the car was definitely fast. The brakes were not meant to stand up to track, though. I was going through rotors every other weekend, sometimes sooner. Replacement rotors were only $24 at Napa, so that was nice.
And I'd agree that overall build quality on the vette wasn't very good - some of the parts could have come off a Cavalier. The engine, tranny and suspension were pretty stout and the car was definitely fast. The brakes were not meant to stand up to track, though. I was going through rotors every other weekend, sometimes sooner. Replacement rotors were only $24 at Napa, so that was nice.
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Just don't know if it's worth the extra $$$ over a Boxster S that is a little more dual-purpose for street/track. Guess I'll drive both to see
Yes, you must test drive both cars. Everyone says that all Porsche did was to add a hardtop to the Boxster and rename it Cayman, but the cars handle so much differently that they drive like completely different cars IMO. I know this is trite, but another thing that I like about the Cayman is that you don't see many of them on the road as compared to the Boxster which is relatively common in my area.
Yes, you must test drive both cars. Everyone says that all Porsche did was to add a hardtop to the Boxster and rename it Cayman, but the cars handle so much differently that they drive like completely different cars IMO. I know this is trite, but another thing that I like about the Cayman is that you don't see many of them on the road as compared to the Boxster which is relatively common in my area.
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Not to belabor the point- I drove a CS and LOVED it. Year end ( summer) 66K MSRP for 57K. But the fact that there were so many on the lot and the fact that I had only seen two on the road- made me think that the car was overproced for its market and value. The wisdom of the crowds had spoken. When quired about the amount of inventory- the dealer said since we are a high volume dealer PCNA "gave " them more inventory.
Fast forward SIX months- several of the "gift" inventory remain on the lot.
I have a deposit for the mythical Cayman RS/CS whatever/ We'll see. But aside from those specials, I 'll stick with my broken in 996 C4S
Scott.
Fast forward SIX months- several of the "gift" inventory remain on the lot.
I have a deposit for the mythical Cayman RS/CS whatever/ We'll see. But aside from those specials, I 'll stick with my broken in 996 C4S
Scott.
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I test drove the Cayman S yesterday and found a lot I liked and some things I was not sure about.
Good: The engine, gearchange, handling, turn-in, in fact just about everything.
Concerns,
wind noise seemed a little high over 140km/hr - not a hugh improvement on my boxster. Was this the one car or are they all the same?
Small buttons and low location of the navigation means it takes your eyes far off the road for longer than it should.
I Like the car and might get one but it would it is clearly more of a sports car than the 911 or boxster.
Good: The engine, gearchange, handling, turn-in, in fact just about everything.
Concerns,
wind noise seemed a little high over 140km/hr - not a hugh improvement on my boxster. Was this the one car or are they all the same?
Small buttons and low location of the navigation means it takes your eyes far off the road for longer than it should.
I Like the car and might get one but it would it is clearly more of a sports car than the 911 or boxster.
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Originally Posted by Irishdriver
I test drove the Cayman S yesterday and found a lot I liked and some things I was not sure about.
Good: The engine, gearchange, handling, turn-in, in fact just about everything.
Concerns,
wind noise seemed a little high over 140km/hr - not a hugh improvement on my boxster. Was this the one car or are they all the same?
Small buttons and low location of the navigation means it takes your eyes far off the road for longer than it should.
I Like the car and might get one but it would it is clearly more of a sports car than the 911 or boxster.
Good: The engine, gearchange, handling, turn-in, in fact just about everything.
Concerns,
wind noise seemed a little high over 140km/hr - not a hugh improvement on my boxster. Was this the one car or are they all the same?
Small buttons and low location of the navigation means it takes your eyes far off the road for longer than it should.
I Like the car and might get one but it would it is clearly more of a sports car than the 911 or boxster.
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Originally Posted by Rich@newcountry
The Cayman is the best handling car I have driven yet. 4K below invoice is awesome. We are selling ours at about invoice. Its too bad that ppl dont realize their actual value. I wonder if its porsches fault for the caymans lack of sales. They tried keeping it too far away from a 911 when actuallity it handles better!!! Maybee if they get some more hp and better 0-60 times this car would be flying out of our showrooms. I am happy with it as is.
As to the reason why Caymans aren't selling well, it also could be due to the fact that it received bad press for being priced higher than a Boxster. Notwithstanding Porsches comments to the contrary, many believe that the Cayman is nothing more than the coupe version of the Boxster, and typically coupes should be less expensive than their convertible counterparts.