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Old Aug 3, 2022 | 07:30 AM
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Hey all, hope you're well! I've just recently picked up my first Porsche - a 3.4L 9871.1 S - and the thing I'm most worried about is bore scoring. This may be a stupid question, but would bore scoring cause the check engine light to come on? Or is it something that you really just find out the hard way if it's not checked up on regularly?
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Old Aug 3, 2022 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by getatmarcus
Hey all, hope you're well! I've just recently picked up my first Porsche - a 3.4L 9871.1 S - and the thing I'm most worried about is bore scoring. This may be a stupid question, but would bore scoring cause the check engine light to come on? Or is it something that you really just find out the hard way if it's not checked up on regularly?
Yes, eventually you'll find the car starts to consume excessive amounts of oil that causes misfires and then the CEL illuminates. Your best defense is a good offense: First, scopes the cylinders - usually bank 2 is the most prone. If you are some of the unfortunate S model owners that have scoring, then make a corrective plan. That will mean rebuilding the engine with proven Nikasil bores or purchasing a short block from Porsche. I strongly recommend Nikasil bores like the Mezger engines. LN Engineering can handle this for you. This is an opportunity to make the engine better too with stronger components and more power.

If you don't have scoring, then make a plan to run better oil and change at shorter intervals - 5,000 or every 6 months. A low temp thermostat will help a little. Get a spin on oil filter. That will give you FULL filtration all the time unlike the OEM canister that has a bypass valve. Let the engine warm up before driving it hard. Don't let the engine idle to warm up. Drive it regularly!

If you want to know more about Bore Scoring, please watch Jake Raby's video series on the subject:
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Old Aug 4, 2022 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by getatmarcus
Hey all, hope you're well! I've just recently picked up my first Porsche - a 3.4L 9871.1 S - and the thing I'm most worried about is bore scoring. This may be a stupid question, but would bore scoring cause the check engine light to come on? Or is it something that you really just find out the hard way if it's not checked up on regularly?
You didn’t mention the model year. I have a 2005S 3.4 just like you and with that year and I think with all the rest of the Ss, the Pistons were cast. This left them much less likely to bore score. In fact with the reading I’ve done, there is no evidence of scoring with cast pistons on that engine.

If you really want to be sure, drop the oil pan and from underneath do a borescope check with video. If you have it there’s not much you can do other than do the nitrate cylinder sleeve option from Jake Ruby. In fact he has a series of eight videos that I highly recommend you watching up on YouTube. One key though, if you have it, the sooner you fix it, the less likely there will be any affects to the rest of the engine. Jake’s process will leave you with a 4 liter motor.

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You didn’t mention the model year. I have a 2005S 3.4 just like you and with that year and I think with all the rest of the Ss, the Pistons were cast. This left them much less likely to bore score. In fact with the reading I’ve done, there is no evidence of scoring with cast pistons on that engine.
Actually, it's the other way around. All non-S model M9X base engines (e.g. 2.7L), came from the factory with cast pistons and have shown to be less prone to cylinder bore scoring as noted by Charles Navarro, Jake Raby, Tony Callas, Barry Hart, and others that have spent years working with these engines. S model engines within the Boxster/Cayman lineup have forged pistons like the M96/M97 Carreras and more susceptible to cylinder bore scoring. Sorry... that the facts.
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Actually, it's the other way around. All non-S model M9X base engines (e.g. 2.7L), came from the factory with cast pistons and have shown to be less prone to cylinder bore scoring as noted by Charles Navarro, Jake Raby, Tony Callas, Barry Hart, and others that have spent years working with these engines. S model engines within the Boxster/Cayman lineup have forged pistons like the M96/M97 Carreras and more susceptible to cylinder bore scoring. Sorry... that the facts.
Thanks - I’ll have to “re” research this. I thought I saw it one one of Jake’s videos where the 05’s were not susceptible but later were due to the switchover. When I get the time…
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Thanks - I’ll have to “re” research this. I thought I saw it one one of Jake’s videos where the 05’s were not susceptible but later were due to the switchover. When I get the time…
The '05 model year was the devil and I'm afraid he gave you the double whammy. That is, you got the most problematic bearing - the 6204 and the 3.4L suffers from bore scoring. Sorry.
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The '05 model year was the devil and I'm afraid he gave you the double whammy. That is, you got the most problematic bearing - the 6204 and the 3.4L suffers from bore scoring. Sorry.
2005 Boxster S engine is the 3.2L which is less prone to bore scoring. Cayman S started with the 3.4L in 2006 and Boxster S switched to the 3.4L engine in 2007.

https://flat6innovations.com/cylinder-bore-scoring/

​​​​​​​Cylinder Bore Scoring is the #1 leading cause of misdiagnosed engine failures for the following vehicles:
*1999-2004 Porsche 996 (all models except GT3 and Turbo, less prominent with 99-01 years, but still occurs)
*2005-2008 Porsche 997.1 Carrera and Carrera S (Turbo and GT3 models excluded)
*2006-2008 Porsche 987.1 Cayman S (Base model remains unaffected)
*2007-2008 Porsche 987.1 Boxster S (Base model remains unaffected)
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In 2007 the Boxster received the M97.21 Cayman (3.4) engine. At this time bore scoring began to impact the Boxster. Boxster S models prior to 2007 (3.2 engine) are not impacted by bore scoring.
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In 2007 the Boxster received the M97.21 Cayman (3.4) engine. At this time bore scoring began to impact the Boxster. Boxster S models prior to 2007 (3.2 engine) are not impacted by bore scoring.
So what you're saying is the M96.26 engine found in the '05 Boxster S has not been shown to be susceptible to cylinder bore scoring and, there is no 3.4L for any S model Boxster in 2005?

I guess I'm scratching my head cause vanlieremead said his '05 Boxster S has the 3.4L.





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I guess I'm scratching my head cause vanlieremead said his '05 Boxster S has the 3.4L.
I'm guessing that was a typo on his part unless the original engine was replaced with a later 3.4L. The 3.4 was not available in a Boxster until 2007.
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Originally Posted by BRS-LN
In 2007 the Boxster received the M97.21 Cayman (3.4) engine. At this time bore scoring began to impact the Boxster. Boxster S models prior to 2007 (3.2 engine) are not impacted by bore scoring.
Finally some good news regarding the engine in my car (05 BS)!
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Originally Posted by b3freak
So what you're saying is the M96.26 engine found in the '05 Boxster S has not been shown to be susceptible to cylinder bore scoring and, there is no 3.4L for any S model Boxster in 2005?

I guess I'm scratching my head cause vanlieremead said his '05 Boxster S has the 3.4L.
no, you are right. It is a 3.2 and not subject to scoring due to piston fab choice.
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Originally Posted by vanlieremead
no, you are right. It is a 3.2 and not subject to scoring due to piston fab choice.
Ah... that clears things up. When you said you had a '05 S Model with a 3.4L, I was thinking maybe they did make some during the first year of the 987 like a "launch edition" or something.

Well anyway, I'm sure you're resting a little easier knowing your car is not susceptible to this horrible bore scoring problem.
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Well anyway, I'm sure you're resting a little easier knowing your car is not susceptible to this horrible bore scoring problem.
Resting yes but watchful. I do have the single row small IMS bearing but it’s good so far at 47k mi. The car is in perfect condition.



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Borescore 3.4/6/8 = Locasil/Alusil cylinders, short rod to stroke ratio, no bank 2 piston offset, improper warmups, long oil service intervals....
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