STALKER99

Are they actually going to make an RS version???

Phokaioglaukos

No one knows, but the rumour is strong enough that my dealer would take a fully refundable deposit. Not much risk for either of us, and nice to have a stake in the ground. An RS could be the real basis for a GT4 cup car.

PiB993

Anybody know the aprox. dimensions of this GT4? Is it roughly the same as the latest Caymen? I keep wishing sports cars could follow the size, relative practicality and layout of the McLaren F1 (wishful thinking).

Wait a minute - there is a GT4 RS list? A possibility for an 'RS' version of the GT4!

Crazy Eddie

"From your lips to Gods Ears ..."
I live here in the Bay area and it truly does suck if you are trying to get one of these cars .. I have been a Porsche owner and PCA member for 26+ yrs
I'v tracked, auto crossed, and Concours my car. I eat sleep and dream Porsche ... but I have little to no chance of getting this car in this area ...
So, I really do understand the frustration of people wanting to buy this car ...
I think what we have here is pent up desire, for what Porsche finally did, after all these years ... The last car to test (and frankly beat ) the almighty 911 was the 944 TS back in 1988 ... The car was so advanced for it time going against what seemed like a dinosaur.. but that car was virtually unknown at the time and by the time it was known, they stopped selling it in the US and the 911 turbo got a remake.. So with this new GT4 its like ... WOW finally!
And for us in this area, we are competing with newly minted rich folks from Google and Facebook etc ... that may have bought numerous cars over the past few yrs... So, it is, what it is .... Unfortunate
As a business model I can't blame the dealers. They have to make as much money as they can and want to keep their well off car buying customers happy so they keep coming back, but it does suck for those of us who love and are so connected to the car and the automaker ...
Regards
Ed

ZachMartin

I'm really amazed how (for lack of a better word right now) "snobby" some of the owners are on this forum are. Realistically the majority of the GT4 buyers have plenty of money to spend on a car... or else they'd be buying Toyota's like the rest of the average population. Anyone ever heard of "Market Adjustment". An item is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. A Rolex tells time just like my cell phone but People pay exorbitant amounts for Rolex watches. A new Z06 will fetch 20k over sticker, a new Z28 will get over sticker. Ford raptor when it first came out.... yup.... over sticker. Mclaren P1, Ferrari LaFerrari...mmmhhhmmm. Supply and demand. Now the first ever GT4 is about to hit dealerships. The kind of car "enthusiasts" have been waiting for years to get a chance to own. Thank you to the people here acknowledging that the Porsche dealership you pick your car up from is a BUSINESS!!! The individuals working there are earning a LIVING distributing these cars and facilitating the process. Imagine having 20 people coming to you ALL wanting to buy the same exact thing. You will more than likely have one, maybe two of the item. You are going to tell me you won't sell it to the highest bidder??? This is business gentleman. Wanna know how to guarantee yourself a GT4? Super simple, be the highest bidder. If you don't wanna do that. Then don't get upset about it. If you are one of those guys that has bought a bunch of cars from a dealership and they are going to sell it MSRP for you, and your first in line, great, you could afford it either way so it isn't really a big deal. For those paying MSRP many of you, if not most.... awesome! I totally agree that a Dealership shouldn't (possibly DOESN'T have to) have to charge over MSRP for a Product. Guess what folks, that is why they are called dealers, and not stores. With deals come negotiating. Many of you don't pay MSRP for your cars, so don't complain when your asked to pay extra for a limited production vehicle. Do you guys turn on the TV and Crucify Barret Jackson Auctions for Auctioning off limited production cars to the highest bidder?? I think not. So many people here against stepping up to the plate to do what they gotta do to get a limited production car and complain about the perceived actions of dealers. These are probably the same people that pit ten different dealers against each other looking to get invoice on a car thinking they one up'd the dealership. Then complain when the dealership does it to them (light bulb!). You wanna save your hard earned money to buy your extravagant cars. Some people want to earn it. Thought I'd write this in good fun and perhaps present the other side of the story that many people forget exists. I am obviously not pointing out anyone specifically. This is stemmed from an overall theme I've seen about GT4, GT3, and GT3Rs vehicles. End rant Have a great day everyone. Be safe and drive FAST!

Mike981S

Not engaging the complaint part again (others pointed to the P9 thread).
My dealer told me that Porsche is asking them to go through their wait lists and enter some preliminary orders etc. I assume they do that to weed out some of the wait list hoggers, the undecided and the duplicates. So while they don't have a master list per se, I am pretty sure that Porsche is making sure they better understand the real demand (they probably learned from experiences).

JSF101

Zach,

some very good points!

1. can you confirm this is a limited production vehicle?

2. What is the production limit?

TIA

CAlexio

I think the new guy(s) or those who are frustrated ab lack of availability should get much better treatment than what I just read on this thread. Getting an allocation wasn't just ab waiting, it was also dumb luck.

For example, I had the fortune of posting on here ab the car and another member in Pennsylvania turned me on to a dealer who had allocations at MSRP.., in meantime I also contacted dealers in random spots like Cincinnati to hedge my bets. Dealer in Penn ended up deciding that they were only going to sell local so at that point I was SOL.
Amazingly, same mornitn the Cincinnati dealer calls me and says he got my voicemail and I'm the #1 on his list if I want it. Pure luck.. I also didn't just try to shop locally.. We live in the Bay Area, just because it's crazy land here doesn't mean the rest of world is swimming in cash.. I would suggest calling to Alabama, Mississippi, Dakotas... Anywhere where there is a Porsche dealer.. I bet someone can still get a car If they put the work in.

destaccado

I bought my first Porsche at 19 working two jobs to pay for it. **** excuse.

People who follow the brand and have supported it repeatedly financially do deserve to order this car first. Don't worry; everyone who truly wants one will eventually get the chance to order if they stay in touch with allocations just like every other 911 & Coxster ever made (save the RS 4.0)...

destaccado

How is what you just said 'dumb luck'? You paid attention and used the information you gathered from doing so... Now if someone is paying attention they'll realize that there's a lot of Porsche dealers in the middle of nowhere and most don't care who they sell to.

sl951

You don't need to drive this car, you know it will be great...
- Every Cayman GTS or Cayman for that matter have the highest review praises. Even non P-car guy Jeremy Clarkson loves the current 981 GTS (Top Gear - Perfect Road Trip).

-Even the CEO of PAG acknowledge the mid-engine package is superior to the rear layout, 'but that's not their intent'

sl951

The 944TS was a great car, same goes for the 911 replacement 928 in terms of tech... the problem was the styling, the 944TS looked like the 944 and the 928 look great, but different...

The Cayman (GT4) actually looks like the style of a 911 (991). In most ways, you can call it a mid-engine 911.

If the current GT3 looked 'exactly the same', had the same tech, engine, etc - but with engine/trans swapped to a mid-configuration, do you think there would be more or less demand? I think there would be a massive demand. I want this car! - GT4 with engine swap please!

Porsche prides itself on evolution, so hopefully the GT4 is a baby step toward this.

Porsche is an 'engineer's sportscar.' We love them because 'form follows function' and they usually have the best designs (flat engine, light-weight, transmissions, etc). But man can they be stubborn about certain things...

PiB993

I'd like to see a new thread on, "Who has submitted a deposit on 981 GT4 RS?"

Or maybe, "Who has submitted a deposit on the 991 RSA (stripper)?"

ExMB

I believe that the rant by the "donkey" here and on planet-9 forum is about not having to stray from where he lives, as close as possible, and jumping in line just like he probably does at mickey dees.

Nacelle

Well spoken Zach Martin.... This is supply and demand functioning perfectly as a system not just a concept.