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Old 12-20-2015, 08:27 PM
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Default 'Lichtgrün/ Light Green / Birch Green'...

An interesting 'Birch Green' gt4 was just delivered in the UK.
Here are posts from that forum that I think shed some light
on this stunning color!

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Originally Posted by Less than 3mph View Post
From PH!!

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Originally Posted by Z356 View Post
To add more information on this UK gt4 that Daniel posted above,
here are it's specifications as reported by the owner (sandipshaunak)
in PistonHeads:


PTS birch green
Rear wing supports black
64 litre tank
LWB
PCM
Sound package plus
Mobile phone prep
Light design package
Stitching in platinum
Silver seat belts
Leather interior package
Centre console in leather
DAB
2 zone climate
Smoking package
Porsche crest on storage lid





Thanks for the post, Daniel!

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Originally Posted by sandy59 View Post
I believe that green may be 'light green' and not 'birch green' according to the owner.

Awesome colour all the same.
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Originally Posted by Z356 View Post
Sandy:

Here is what the owner posted on PistonHeads himself:



http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...lours%20&mid=0

That is what I copied & posted on this thread.

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'Birch Green', a historic/vintage early 911 color, is color code 253.
The Germans call the color 'Lichtgrün', which translates to 'Light Green'.



Here are photos I took at 'Porsche Exclusive' Zuffenhausen of the sample
color:





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But when the color was introduced in English markets in the early 1970's,
it was referred to as 'Birch Green' in Porsche marketing materials:





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https://books.google.com/books?id=tI...%20911&f=false

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That is why we, the Porsche enthusiasts with some historical memory,
still refer to 'Lichtgrün', color code 253, as 'Birch Green'. Hope this
sheds some light on the subject.

Saludos,
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Originally Posted by sandy59 View Post
Thanks Eduardo for the comprehensive explanation. Where I was getting confused was he later posted this pic calling it light green :



Then someone else posted this one saying this was birch green, I wasn't sure if they were actually the same :



Are you saying these are both the same colour ??
I guess it could just be the lighting & different camera etc.

Sandy
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Originally Posted by Z356 View Post
Sandy:

Yes, it's the same color. 'Lichtgrün', 'Light Green' (presently)
and 'Birch Green' are all the same - Porsche color code 253.



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When I was in Germany last July (2015), I went out of my way to visit
the Bensberg Porsche dealership where that car you posted was for sale.
I wanted to see the color for myself in person one more time. A photo
of that car had been posted earlier last summer here on Rennlist on one
of my 'Custom Ordering/PTS' threads. I contacted the person in Germany
who posted the photo and he told me where the dealership was located.
Here are the photos I took of that car:







It was simply stunning!



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This is not the first time I have seen ' 'Lichtgrün' in person. I saw &
photographed a 991 Cabriolet that 'Porsche Exclusive' had on display
at Zuffenhausen in 2013. I utilized the same camera as the one I
used in 2015 at Bensberg, yet the photos make the color look quite
dissimilar due to lighting, etc. That is why I tell everybody not to
trust photos to judge a PTS color...you need to see it in person with
your own eyes!




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By the way, the person on PistonHeads that posted that photo of the
Bensberg 'Birch Green' 991 is none other that ISUK. He is due to
received a 'Lichtgrün' gt4 in early 2016. ISUK has had some of the
nicest PTS Porsches I have seen in England and has previously been
a poster here on Rennlist!



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Originally Posted by Z356 View Post
Hello Donavan!

No problem...except for one thing. 'RS Orange', 8C6, has
not been approved for PTS on the 991/981 last time I checked.
It was last used in MY2010 for the .2 997/987, but an exception
was made for a customer that requested it on his 918 Spyder.

'RS Orange', color code 8C6, was not listed as an approved
991/981 PTS color as of July 2015, which is the last list in my
possession. Nor was it even in consideration (feasibility study)
for the materials used on the 991/981, which is normal standard
procedure for getting a color on the PTS for a current model.
918 Spyder PTS is totally different...and went through a separate
approval process that is not interchangeable with the 991/981
models.

So the same caution applies as to 'Signal Orange'. Porsche has
to officially tell us (needs to be confirmed) that 'RS Orange, color
code 8C6, is once again available for order via PTS on the 991/981.
If so, it would be great news!

But I will not believe it until someone from Porsche officially
confirms that 8C6 is 'in' as an approved 991/981 PTS color!




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Frijack from PFF.de has it on order. Maybe it's recently approved? or they have a inside connection and/or 918 owner?
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Default 'Aubergine'...

Originally Posted by Milehigh981 View Post
No word on signal orange or aubergine ?
Originally Posted by Z356 View Post
As of the last PTS approved list I have (July 2015), neither of
those two colors - 'Signal Orange' & 'Aubergine' - have been
requested by a customer at the PTS program at PAG. Thus
they are not even in the feasibility study phase. I hope
somebody has the courage to step up and start the feasibility
study for those two truly beautiful colors!
By the way, I have a correction to make. I looked over the
5/2015 PAG approved PTS list and 'Aubergine' is finally
on the feasibility study! So let's see when/if it gets approved!
'Aubergine', historically color code 025, keeps its vintage
number! It was a very popular color when introduced by
Porsche on the MY1972/1973 911 as a no-cost standard
offering!





And in particular, that color didn't weather age very well.
Hopefully, the newer paint technology will prevent that
from happening on the new formulation of 'Aubergine'!



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Personally, I find the new RS's 'Ultraviolet' to be a more
vibrant purple hue than the vintage 'Aubergine/025'!



This exclusive .1 991 gt3 RS color has a bit of the vintage early
911 'Royal Purple' (color code 341) hue also from MY1972/1973,
although that was an extra-cost 'Special Order' back then!



As an aside, one 'color expert' on Rennlist has posted this exact photo
(above) in one of our forums & called the color 'RS Lilac/Royal Blue'.
This color was available on all 911 models in MY1972/1973. And the
color was often referred as 'Lilac'...but never as 'Royal Blue'!








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But PAG doesn't seem to be planning to allow 'Ultraviolet' to
be ordered either as a PTS or as a 'Special Color' anytime
soon...so it might be a moot point!

But I will be glad to see when 'Aubergine' finally makes it
on the approved PTS list!

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Not sure how I missed this earlier. Great news on aubergine! Love the color. Really thought purple would have looked good on the Spyder- wasn't crazy about the 2 shades on the approved list and UV was a NEIN!
Thanks for the update!
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Originally Posted by Milehigh981 View Post
Not sure how I missed this earlier. Great news on aubergine!
Love the color. Really thought purple would have looked good
on the Spyder- wasn't crazy about the 2 shades on the approved
list and UV was a NEIN! Thanks for the update!
Further update. Looks like the Christmas Grinch stole the
good news! As reported on the gt3 forum by someone with
copy of the (upgraded) PTS list:








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Found this today!! Excited for the GT4 in this colour.
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Originally Posted by NORTH DRIVE View Post



Found this today!! Excited for the GT4 in this colour.
We have a Spyder coming in this color as well.
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Well hell yea, I'm excited for my Boxster Spyder coming in that color!! I'm going with black interior though. Silver deviated, LWBs, PCCBs, black wheels, etc. Built in March, delivered in May. Should be one of the last ones off the line. That picture quiets my nerves about Y97 PTS selection once and for all. Thanks!
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Default One theory why 'Aubergine' was rejected for PTS...

Originally Posted by Less than 3mph View Post
I wonder why it (Aubergine) was rejected.
If you, or anyone else here at Rennlist, is interested in hearing it, I have a
theory on why 'Aubergine' was recently rejected for PTS by Porsche.






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We had a similar story when the vintage early 911 color 'Blutorange/Tangerine'
was rejected for PTS shortly before the new 'Lava Orange' was officially announced
as a new color for for the 991 gt3 RS introduction. Apparently someone at Porsche
thought 'Lava Orange' was too similar to 'Blutorange'!





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So my theory is that 'Aubergine' was similarly rejected because its too similar
to 'Ultraviolet' and the latter, which had until recently was 'exclusive' to the
.1 991 gt3 RS, is about to be allowed to be ordered as PTS for some, if not all,
Porsche models! My basis for thinking that is that the latest approved PTS list,
which is dated November 17th, 2015, has the following 'new' entry:



The 'x' at the end means that it's a new 'change' `in the approved PTS list
for November 17th, since the last one published (dated September 2015).
So the good news is that 'Ultraviolet' has been approved for the Macan...
and it could mean that this purple color might next be approved for the
standard models 991 & 981.

The change of fortune for 'Ultraviolet' is surprising news. Just months
ago it was reported by various un-official sources that 'Ultraviolet' was
scheduled to be discontinued on the .1 991 gt3 RS (where it's a standard
color offering) after November of 2015. Recently we heard that PAG
was allowing late RS allocation customers to choose 'Ultraviolet' for
their Spring 2016 builds. Now, we see that 'Ultraviolet' has been
approved as a PTS for the Macan. Frankly, it all breathes new life
into this stunning new color! I hope 'Ultraviolet' will continue to be
a part of the Porsche color palette for years to come!





Saludos,
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I struggle to understand how/why certain colours are rejected. The whole point of the PTS programme originally was to allow a customer to choose any colour for their car which is what I did with a 987 Boxster when I specified Lamborghini's Grigio Proteus metallic. The original colour was a three layer pearl but Porsche managed to formulate almost the same colour in a regular metallic for me and I don't think it ever appeared on a PTS approved list but Eduardo may know for certain.

On a more positive note here is another pic (courtesy of Pistonheads) of the Birch Green GT4 awaiting delivery in January in the UK.
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Originally Posted by Z356 View Post
If you, or anyone else here at Rennlist, is interested in hearing it, I have a
theory on why 'Aubergine' was recently rejected for PTS by Porsche.






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We had a similar story when the vintage early 911 color 'Blutorange/Tangerine'
was rejected for PTS shortly before the new 'Lava Orange' was officially announced
as a new color for for the 991 gt3 RS introduction. Apparently someone at Porsche
thought 'Lava Orange' was too similar to 'Blutorange'!





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So my theory is that 'Aubergine' was similarly rejected because its too similar
to 'Ultraviolet' and the latter, which had until recently was 'exclusive' to the
.1 991 gt3 RS, is about to be allowed to be ordered as PTS for some, if not all,
Porsche models! My basis for thinking that is that the latest approved PTS list,
which is dated November 17th, 2015, has the following 'new' entry:



The 'x' at the end means that it's a new 'change' `in the approved PTS list
for November 17th, since the last one published (dated September 2015).
So the good news is that 'Ultraviolet' has been approved for the Macan...
and it could mean that this purple color might next be approved for the
standard models 991 & 981.

The change of fortune for 'Ultraviolet' is surprising news. Just months
ago it was reported by various un-official sources that 'Ultraviolet' was
scheduled to be discontinued on the .1 991 gt3 RS (where it's a standard
color offering) after November of 2015. Recently we heard that PAG
was allowing late RS allocation customers to choose 'Ultraviolet' for
their Spring 2016 builds. Now, we see that 'Ultraviolet' has been
approved as a PTS for the Macan. Frankly, it all breathes new life
into this stunning new color! I hope 'Ultraviolet' will continue to be
a part of the Porsche color palette for years to come!





Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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There was an ultraviolet GT3RS in the delivery bay of Porsche Beachwood when I picked up my BGTS. it's a beautiful color.
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Default 'Rubystone Red' / 'Sternrubin', Color Code 82N...

Originally posted in the gt4 forum but perhaps of interest to others on this forum!

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Originally Posted by master_jcp View Post
Would love to see a 981 GT4 oder 991 RS in sternrubin like the 964 RS in the early 90's.

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Master_jcp: Don't forget the two 'Sternrubin' 911s that belong to the factory museum in Zuffenhausen:





Yes, would love to see this color on a 991 or 981 soon!

Interestingly enough, I was told at a luncheon hosted for me at
PAG last July by 'Porsche Exclusive' that the reason that .2 997
gt3 RS was built in the first place (now part of the Museum cars)
is that 'Sternrubin' was under consideration as one of the standard
colors to be offered in the .2 997 RS. Here is the story as I reported
in another thread:





https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-2015-a-4.html

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Coincidently I know where Master _jcp's photo of the 'Sternrubin' 1992
964 'RS' was taken - just outside Düsseldorf at 'Classic Remise'. I was
there last July and took these photos of the exact same car:







It's a 1992 964 'Carrera RS' for the European market. We knew the color in
the English-speaking Porsche markets as 'Rubystone Red', color code 82N.
It seems to have been standard Porsche offering for all MY1991 & MY1992
964s. The seller of this car for sale in Germany refers to the color (farbe)
as 'Violett'. Porsche now refers to the color as 'Sternrubin' or 'Ruby Star'.
But it's the same color - historic color code 82N.






I recommend anyone traveling in the vicinity of Düsseldorf to
pay a visit to 'Classic Remise'. It's free. And it has a nice
collections of cars in storage & for sale, plus a beautiful old
railroad repair facility used as the display structure which is
a wonder to see!



Post #147
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...2015-a-10.html

http://remise.de/Classic-Remise-Dues...sh-summary.php

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Hope all are enjoying a peaceful Holiday week!



Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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I earlier posted about a gt3 RS color that had to be consulted & approved
by the 'Board of Directors', as told to me by a factory source. Here is a
follow up exchange on that subject on the gt4 forum which I think sheds
further light on that topic:

Originally Posted by Ferrarisimo View Post
Thanks for your insight as always, Eduardo. I find it fascinating, and
perhaps a little bewildering, that the Porsche board of directors has
to approve colors on ultra low-volume GT models before they're given
the green light. I'd figure that authority would lay with an executive VP
or something.
Originally Posted by Z356 View Post
Yes, I was pretty surprised when I was told this. The one that said it
to me was Boris Apenbrink, Director Special Vehicles. And it was told
to me in the presence of Director Dr. Tobias Donnevert , who is the
head of the entire Customer Services at Zuffenhausen - 'Porsche
Exclusive', 'Delivery Center', etc. So I am pretty sure it's true!

It shows the kind of involvement that the Porsche Board of Directors
have (almost micro-managing) of their 'halo' products, of which few
equal the gt3 & RS at PAG! I must tell you from experience that
Porsche is particular concerned with what they in Germany call the
'communication' colors, which is the hue of a new model chosen
to be introduced. It is done with much fanfare by the marketing
& publicity departments at Porsche. Recently, the 'communication'
color that caught everyone's attention was the new 'Lava Orange'
for the .1 991 gt3 RS. Frankly, I think was less than successful from
hearing the reactions of my color enthusiast friends here at Rennlist
and seeing it for the first time in person last July in Zuffenhausen.
Yet 'Lava' is apparently a commercial successful for PAG as we are
presently seemingly overwhelmed with 'Lava Orange' RS...and now
that is a 'Special Color' on the 991, even on garden-variety 911s!

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Originally Posted by mgerber View Post
I know this is a bit OT, but wanted to offer \up a thought regarding the
"Board of Directors" having to approve colors. I have no special insight
into PAG's governance structure so everything that follows in this first
paragraph is my supposition. I am wondering if the concept of the
"Board of Directors" approving colors is being interpreted via our USA
centric paradigm as being approved by the Supervisory Board of PAG.
I ran a business in Europe for a few years and learned that in most
cases titles are very different than titles in the USA for what we call
board members and operating executives. The lead operating executive
in Europe is typically called the "Managing Director" (and in rarer cases
CEO) and has an executive team composed of "Directors". Our company
at the time had a Finance Director, Customer Service Director, Operations
Director, Engineering Director, etc. So although they are called Directors,
the Directors as a group (or "board" or "executive board") are equivalent
to a USA CEO and other C level executives, and are responsible for day
to day management of the business. Corporate strategy and governance
in Europe typically falls to a Supervisory Board, versus what we in the
USA call a Board of Directors. Some of our Euro Directors were also
members of the Supervisory Board. Given the PAG Directors own day
to day operations I would view it as reasonable for them to be involved
in some way with key color choices on halo cars and/or colors that fall
outside of normal production processes.

Eduardo: Thanks again for sharing all of your experience and expertise
on this topic! Your contribution to our collective knowledge in this area
is immeasurable.

Matt

Originally Posted by Z356 View Post
Thanks Matt for that post!

I believe the 'Board' that Boris Apenbrink was referring to when he was speaking
to me about 'color' approval for the gt3 RS was the 'Executive Board' or 'Board
of Management' at PAG. I will double check with him next time I see him & report
back to all of you!

For those not familiar with how the management at PAG works, we might as well
review their current management structure which I think will be of interest to many
of you!



Werk I (photo above), which houses the executive offices of PAG.

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Porsche AG has an Executive Board (Board of Management) that currently has
the following members:





One of the members above (Mr. Hatz) was 'suspended' last September
following 'Dieselgate'. I don't know the status of his employment at
PAG at the moment. But for the time being, he apparently has not
been removed from the 'Executive Board' at PAG.

Detlev von Platen is a new member. He is the former CEO of PCNA.
And was promoted to head of Worldwide Sales & Marketing based
in Germany after the management re-organization after Dieselgate.

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Above the 'Executive Board' lies the 'Supervisory Board'. Presently
at PAG, it consists of the following individuals:





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The 'Executive Board' of PAG reports to the Chairman of the Board of
Management at the VW Group:






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As an aside, so that all of you know some key facts in the surprising
turn of affairs at the Volkswagen Group this year, Ferdinand Piëch
resigned as Chairman of the Supervisory Board of the VW Group
last April. That position is currently taken by Hans Dieter Pötsch.
It was never offered or given* to Martin Winterkorn, who remained
in the cross-hairs of Ferdinand Piëch (who remained an influencial
Porsche family member & Porsche Automobil Holding SE stockholder).
Winterkorn weathered the management crisis last April & continued
as Chairman (CEO) of the Management Board at VW until September,
when he was forced to resigned after news of 'Dieselgate' became
public knowledge.

*Berthold Huber served as interim Chairman of the VW Supervisory
Board until Hans Dieter Pötsch was appointed on Oct 7th, 2015.

You can follow this interesting & continuing saga here:

https://rennlist.com/forums/off-topi...ory-board.html

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This is something I posted on the gt4 forum which might be of
interest to some of you on this forum.

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Originally Posted by PistolPete View Post
I was trying to replicate the look of this PTS 997 GT3-RS that literally stopped me in my tracks back in 2011:

_LND9756 by Peter Moy, on Flickr

_LND9761 by Peter Moy, on Flickr

_LND9766 by Peter Moy, on Flickr

_LND9751 by Peter Moy, on Flickr

I believe this color is Slate Grey but I'm not 100% sure. Sadly this car is no more. It was lost in the flooding after Superstorm Sandy in 2012.
Originally Posted by lessthan3mph View Post
Perhaps this car was grey black (grauschwarz 7A1)?? Looks a bit like it to me.
Originally Posted by Ferrarisimo View Post
Hard to tell for sure, but it doesn't look exactly like Gray Black.
Originally Posted by PistolPete View Post
The indoor lighting made it tough to get that color right.
Since we have the VIN, is it possible to figure out what the color is?
Originally Posted by lessthan3mph View Post
Excellent points. I just checked (based on the VIN) and it is a metallic colour
-- so clearly it cannot be grey black. (7A1 is solid, not metallic. BTW, it also
cannot be the usual (solid) Slate grey in either of its current incarnations
(615 or Y97).)



My next guess then: slate metallic. ()

Sadly, requested but rejected for 991 and 981 so impossible to reproduce again, at least for this generation of 9x1 cars.

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Yes, there is a bit of mystery surrounding the color of this car! Here is that
exact same .2 997 gt3 RS in the outdoor in front of Paul Miller's dealership
back it it's day. The natural light is better than the OP's interior shots, but
the day was overcast & 'dark':





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There were four metallic greys popular at the time which had been used by
Porsche as regular offerings for various model years in that general period -
'Slate Grey Metallic', 'Meteor Grey Metallic', 'Atlas Grey Metallic' and 'Seal
Grey Metallic'.

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Here is 'Slate Grey Metallic':





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Here is 'Meteor Grey Metallic':





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Here is 'Atlas Grey Metallic':





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Here is 'Seal Grey Metallic':





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The RS registry is reporting this PTS '11 gt3 RS as 'GT Silver', which is
clearly the wrong information. The dealer (Paul Miller), who custom
ordered this car on spec, referred to the color in their advertising of
the period (May/2011) as 'Slate Grey'. From recollection, Paul Miller
is not known for being a 'daring' dealership that orders unusual or
historic/vintage PTS colors for spec. As a matter of fact, they seldom
order any PTS on spec! So I think they chose a relatively safe 'grey'
metallic color from Porsche for the era, which was popular in its day,
although one that was not available on the gt3 RS at the time...except
via PTS.

And since Paul Miller ordered this gt3 RS & identified it as 'Slate Grey'
in their ads, I will give them the benefit of the doubt & say that this
color indeed was as they reported it: 'Slate Grey' but add ...'Metallic'.
As Daniel correctly pointed out to us, this 'Slate Metallic' color (code 23F)
is not currently approved for the 991/981.



My dos centavos, for what it's worth.



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