2013 Boxster S Engine Failed!!
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Agvaldes, great looking Boxster! Sorry this happened to you.
Porsche is NOT going to take the car back, unless you can make a case under a "Lemon Law".
Get the engine replaced, and enjoy your new Porsche. I'd press the dealership and PCNA to give you an extended warranty. That's about the best your going to do at this point.
Porsche is NOT going to take the car back, unless you can make a case under a "Lemon Law".
Get the engine replaced, and enjoy your new Porsche. I'd press the dealership and PCNA to give you an extended warranty. That's about the best your going to do at this point.
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Alright, help me understand...
Your engine failed. Not a complete failure yet but cylinder scoring, bad lifter(s), or such. Porsche is replacing the entire engine under warranty.
So what's the problem???
Lemon law? No way, Jose, unless this and subsequent engines fail again and again. f4 Pilot's case is different and qualifies because it was repeated problems that could not get fixed (within a reasonable number of attempts).
Unless a good-will exception is made by PCNA or your dealer, there's no way this qualifies as a lemon law case. Oh, and Eduardo is exactly right. They'll give you a new engine and will have the current engine overnighted back to Germany.
Your engine failed. Not a complete failure yet but cylinder scoring, bad lifter(s), or such. Porsche is replacing the entire engine under warranty.
So what's the problem???
Lemon law? No way, Jose, unless this and subsequent engines fail again and again. f4 Pilot's case is different and qualifies because it was repeated problems that could not get fixed (within a reasonable number of attempts).
Unless a good-will exception is made by PCNA or your dealer, there's no way this qualifies as a lemon law case. Oh, and Eduardo is exactly right. They'll give you a new engine and will have the current engine overnighted back to Germany.
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Thanks everyone for your opinions.
I am going to ask my service guy to send me a picture of the engine when in arrives still on its crate just so that I can see what a "long block" really entails.
I am going to press them for an extended warranty for now and see how the car is when I get it back. The porsche rep that I spoke to seemed amenable to that idea. However I want to keep my options open for further actions if I accept the car.
I had the front of the car wrapped in 3M protective shield as soon as it was delivered and don't want to pay for that again. Also the three month wait for a new one would be hard. I already missed a drive to the Keys for brunch with the local PCA club yesterday with over 70 other Porsches. It was 75 degrees yesterday. I didn't want to do that with the loaner Cayenne.
I will post an update once I get my car back
I am going to ask my service guy to send me a picture of the engine when in arrives still on its crate just so that I can see what a "long block" really entails.
I am going to press them for an extended warranty for now and see how the car is when I get it back. The porsche rep that I spoke to seemed amenable to that idea. However I want to keep my options open for further actions if I accept the car.
I had the front of the car wrapped in 3M protective shield as soon as it was delivered and don't want to pay for that again. Also the three month wait for a new one would be hard. I already missed a drive to the Keys for brunch with the local PCA club yesterday with over 70 other Porsches. It was 75 degrees yesterday. I didn't want to do that with the loaner Cayenne.
I will post an update once I get my car back
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Properly documented, as Agvaldes' case will be, I see no issues.
And in some properly documentated cases, say a Porsche with miles on it, It would actually add value to the car, in my mind & opinion. Imagine getting a 50,000 mile Boxster, with a properly document engine replacement from Porsche at 20,000 miles ago. Just a hypathetical example.
The key is "proper documentation".
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I would NOT be happy with a NEW car and REMENUFACTURED engine! A NEW car should have a NEW engine or stick to your guns for a NEW CAR! Good Luck!
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I listened to the OP's wav. file on the noise and it sounded identical to the lifter noise I had on our 06 987. That came and went but was especially loud on startup after a long period of non-use; after I changed to Castrol/Lubro Moly I didn't hear it very often.
If that's what is going on, I'm surprised they pulled the motor, unless they had other data indicating engine problems or metal in the oil filter. I complained about this several times and could rarely get it to coincide with trip to the dealer.
If that's what is going on, I'm surprised they pulled the motor, unless they had other data indicating engine problems or metal in the oil filter. I complained about this several times and could rarely get it to coincide with trip to the dealer.
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Update
I spoke my service advisor and he assured me that I was getting a Crate Engine. A complete new engine minus the a/c compressor which will be taken off the failed engine. He is going to send me pictures when it arrives.
I feel a lot better now. I will still try to get some kind of extended warranty since this will not cost them anything unless it breaks again after four years. Even if it is just extended for the engine only, it would be nice.
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I spoke my service advisor and he assured me that I was getting a Crate Engine. A complete new engine minus the a/c compressor which will be taken off the failed engine. He is going to send me pictures when it arrives.
I feel a lot better now. I will still try to get some kind of extended warranty since this will not cost them anything unless it breaks again after four years. Even if it is just extended for the engine only, it would be nice.
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These are not cars which will have their future value impacted by non-matching car/engine numbers.
Also, as long as the owner has the paperwork that shows the engine was replaced through no fault of his own that answers the questions about why the engine was replaced.
When it comes time to sell the car if it becomes time to sell the car most used car buyers are more concerned about price and condition.
As long as the original owner has the paper work to back up his explanation of how the car came by its replacement engine, that the engine was replaced by a dealer and sanctioned by the factory...
I see no problem.
In the meantime the owner has to have a car he can use, enjoy.
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Metal fragments in the filter-- I'd guess you'd expect some in a new motor, but if they were actually part of the problem, it sounds like it was more than just a lifter issue--my,my.
I will definitely keep a close tab on any engine noise when our car is back on the road in a few months.
Just out of curiosity, should I expect the 9A1 engine to run louder than the M97 or the same?
I will definitely keep a close tab on any engine noise when our car is back on the road in a few months.
Just out of curiosity, should I expect the 9A1 engine to run louder than the M97 or the same?
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OP, good luck with the new engine. And you heard correctly. It's very rare for Porsche to have a dealer rebuild an engine or have some parts changed out. The entire engine will be replaced and they'll want your current engine back so they can study what went wrong. This is straight from one of the (few) PCNA distribution centers where all things OEM Porsche pass through (to and from Germany).
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Talk about lemonade from lemons.