Is this the new normal?
#16
The maintanance recommendations are excessive but not crazy so. Something to get used to on vehicles that don't get driven very often is that you have time-based limits as well, belts still degrade even if they aren't spinning around, other rubber components degrade with time, etc. Spark plugs are recommended because they will eventually seize in place, so taking them out is good practice, and you may as well put new ones in. And on it goes. The water pump is another spot, it seems excessive, but the pump/impeller is sitting in water all the time, things degrade and start to go bad - the other angle is that you are already doing a bunch of labor to get to the belts, replacing the water pump at that point doesn't add a ton of cost...even worse is if it fails you'll be opening up and replacing all of those components again. IIRS water pumps are recommended to be replaced every 5-6 years or so?
And definitely find a good independent shop, ask around, use your local PCA resources if you are a member, the dealer service department is going to be VERY expensive (they have to pay for a LOT of extra stuff), there are almost always good indy shops around that can do quality work.
But don't skimp on the work, the difference between a top dollar cream puff car and a car that becomes an unreliable nightmare starts with doing all this kind of stuff (unfortunately).
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#18
Three Wheelin'
As recommended earlier, find a good Indy who works on P cars. If you have a local PCA club check their adds and who does the DE inspections.
As others have stated doing the plug at 4 years is a seizing issue. That said I've stretched two Boxsters to 6 years with no issues. The potential seizing is a function of heat cycles, the miles and/or time. As also stated new Bosch plugs have anti-seizing plating on the threads. No need to buy "Porsche" plugs. I would not use anti-seize compound. Porsche stopped using it on plugs and wheel lugs when they discovered damage from over torqueing. Surprised they didn't recommend changing the coil packs. I have 911 coil pack heat shield with 35K on the original coil packs with 30+ track days and no issues. If you do the coil packs it's no additional labor.
IMO changing the plugs is far from an easy DIY especially from the ground. I track my Boxster S and while it has very low mileage I do the plugs at 4 years, oil after 4-5 events and PDK fluid and diff every two years.
I will have to look at dropping the heads to make it easier. In the process of moving, a Quick-Jack is in the future. If someone does that method highly recommend adding the 911 coil pack heat shields, otherwise they are a very tight fit.
Doing the water pump, tensioner and pulley is just BS. There is no evidence that 981 water pumps fail early and need preemptively replaced. If you DIY the serpentine belt hand spin the two pulleys. Watch the YouTubes and don't drop the spacer bolt. In fact order a spare bolt if you plan to DIY the belt.
The one thing I still DIY is rotors and brake pads. I order from FCPEuro and on my third set of Sebro slotted fronts. Use Pagid Yellow (RSL-29) pads. They start to squeak on the street when the transfer layer from bedding wears off. Definitely install brake caliper studs if you plan on tracking. Too easy to damage the aluminum threads with the steel brake caliper bolts.
As others have stated doing the plug at 4 years is a seizing issue. That said I've stretched two Boxsters to 6 years with no issues. The potential seizing is a function of heat cycles, the miles and/or time. As also stated new Bosch plugs have anti-seizing plating on the threads. No need to buy "Porsche" plugs. I would not use anti-seize compound. Porsche stopped using it on plugs and wheel lugs when they discovered damage from over torqueing. Surprised they didn't recommend changing the coil packs. I have 911 coil pack heat shield with 35K on the original coil packs with 30+ track days and no issues. If you do the coil packs it's no additional labor.
IMO changing the plugs is far from an easy DIY especially from the ground. I track my Boxster S and while it has very low mileage I do the plugs at 4 years, oil after 4-5 events and PDK fluid and diff every two years.
I will have to look at dropping the heads to make it easier. In the process of moving, a Quick-Jack is in the future. If someone does that method highly recommend adding the 911 coil pack heat shields, otherwise they are a very tight fit.
Doing the water pump, tensioner and pulley is just BS. There is no evidence that 981 water pumps fail early and need preemptively replaced. If you DIY the serpentine belt hand spin the two pulleys. Watch the YouTubes and don't drop the spacer bolt. In fact order a spare bolt if you plan to DIY the belt.
The one thing I still DIY is rotors and brake pads. I order from FCPEuro and on my third set of Sebro slotted fronts. Use Pagid Yellow (RSL-29) pads. They start to squeak on the street when the transfer layer from bedding wears off. Definitely install brake caliper studs if you plan on tracking. Too easy to damage the aluminum threads with the steel brake caliper bolts.
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Doing the water pump, tensioner and pulley is just BS. There is no evidence that 981 water pumps fail early and need preemptively replaced. If you DIY the serpentine belt hand spin the two pulleys. Watch the YouTubes and don't drop the spacer bolt. In fact order a spare bolt if you plan to DIY the belt.
The one thing I still DIY is rotors and brake pads. I order from FCPEuro and on my third set of Sebro slotted fronts. Use Pagid Yellow (RSL-29) pads. They start to squeak on the street when the transfer layer from bedding wears off. Definitely install brake caliper studs if you plan on tracking. Too easy to damage the aluminum threads with the steel brake caliper bolts.
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Where I live, it's required by law for service shops to post their hourly rate. All the work you're listing is standard maintenance. Ask them to show you their calculations. Rate x time + parts = cost. Pretty simple. If they quote you more than 2 hours for plugs, for example, they either don't know what they are doing or they are thieves or both. IMO replacing the water pump so soon is ridiculous. However, if they only charge you the actual price of the pump and no additional labor beyond the labor to replace the belt (or maybe another 30 minutes), I'd laugh in their face.
On the other hand, I would not trust any independent shop unless they can prove that the guy who will work on your car has experience with your specific car. I think $200/ hour is reasonable. I do my own work. I'd charge you $300, unless you help
Then it would be $500.
On the other hand, I would not trust any independent shop unless they can prove that the guy who will work on your car has experience with your specific car. I think $200/ hour is reasonable. I do my own work. I'd charge you $300, unless you help
Then it would be $500.
#21
Three Wheelin'
I respect LN Engineering but I think the marketing department is mixing facts. As I understand it the 9A1 water pump was improved. I believe the mileage recommendation to replace the water pump on earlier 986 and 987 was 50K. I've seen other threads that say "early" replacement of the water pump in the 981 is not needed.
Again, IMO replacing the water pump, tensioner and pulley for a 25K mileage 2014 Cayman S with no failure evidence is just greed on the dealers part.
Again, IMO replacing the water pump, tensioner and pulley for a 25K mileage 2014 Cayman S with no failure evidence is just greed on the dealers part.