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Old 01-07-2013 | 10:47 AM
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All...as these cars approach 20 - 25 years old...is a subjectively perfect (read well done and expensive) re-paint done in the same OEM colour that much of a liability to the overall value of a Porsche? The road rash, parking lot keying, kids running the bikes into the car - day to day life of these cars - can add up over two decades. What are the thoughts to the alure of a car when a good re-paint has been done - is it good - bad - or indifferant? Are you all afraid of a re-paint when buying or trading...?
Old 01-07-2013 | 10:58 AM
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I have stone chips on my car a lot on the front bumper.

I am also thinking of repainting the front bumper then apply clear bra and paint repair for the stone chips on the hood and then apply clear bra ? good compromise ?
Old 01-07-2013 | 11:28 AM
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I am also curious as the car in San Diego had a full respray. As far as price, what does a good respray cost? That respray was $6800. The paint material itself was just over $1000 for the Amazon Green Metallic. They replaced a bunch of seals and repaired some parking lot dings while they were at it. Is that the price range for a decent, nice or crappy respray?
Old 01-07-2013 | 12:24 PM
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I am also curious as the car in San Diego had a full respray. As far as price, what does a good respray cost? That respray was $6800. The paint material itself was just over $1000 for the Amazon Green Metallic. They replaced a bunch of seals and repaired some parking lot dings while they were at it. Is that the price range for a decent, nice or crappy respray?
Thats a price for a good respray.
Old 01-07-2013 | 01:19 PM
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I bought mine after being resprayed.. It was well documented, and looks perfect. No regrets, and it did not affect my decision
Old 01-07-2013 | 03:33 PM
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I plan on repainting my car as well. It has fairly low mileage but after 20 years of existence the paint is not where I want it to be. I do plan on keeping it the original single stage paint as opposed to 2-stage paint. I will also be replacing all the body seals, gaskets and stickers.

As long as as you document it and the shop does a good job I wouldn't worry about a thing.
Old 01-07-2013 | 07:31 PM
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Respray only matters on an extremely low mile collectable car. In a 40k driver, it's a big plus in my book!
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Guys, your collective attitude on repainting is refreshing. I've seen some people on this board and P/P freak out over repaints. I say good luck finding a 20 year old car that hasn't been repainted at least partially.
With 911's, the big issue is if the glass was removed before repainting or at a minimum if the gaskets were lifted to yield a smooth transition.
The durability of two stage paint has steadily improved over 20 years (as has the cost) and paint today is a lot more durable then is was when our cars were built. I would expect that any 965 that lived it's life partially outside and got driven a fail amount would require re-painting to look decent.
Old 01-08-2013 | 11:31 PM
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I was about to buy a 993tt in toronto. 69 000 km... I realized it was repainted just before buying it... I walked out of the deal. For me it wasn't worth 74 000$ I would of buy for less....
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I'm with Chris - on a driver it can definitely be a plus. On a super low mile collectable garage queen - originality is king.

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Old 01-09-2013 | 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by urquattro20Vt
I'm with Chris - on a driver it can definitely be a plus. On a super low mile collectable garage queen - originality is king.

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Technically on a low mile garage queen I would find it odd being repainted. Plus your most likely paying a premium too, if so I would expect original paint.

$74K on a nice quality repaint 993TT with 69K kms sounds fair to me, $80k plus that's a diff story.
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IMO a repaint if done correctly should not really hurt the value of a car too much(if any). Questions to ask if buying a repainted car is "why was the car repainted", "any phots of the before paint","contact info of the paint shop", "reciepts"etc..etc.

Most of our cars if driven, will most likely suffer at the minimum road rash/chips. Some opt for a partial repaint others do a full body to fix the imperfections.

Let's face it, most classic high price collectibles (just look at what a 73 RS is going for) have had a repaint at one point or another. It's the quality of the repaint that should be the deciding factor.
Old 01-09-2013 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Guru
Guys, your collective attitude on repainting is refreshing. I've seen some people on this board and P/P freak out over repaints. I say good luck finding a 20 year old car that hasn't been repainted at least partially.
With 911's, the big issue is if the glass was removed before repainting or at a minimum if the gaskets were lifted to yield a smooth transition.
The durability of two stage paint has steadily improved over 20 years (as has the cost) and paint today is a lot more durable then is was when our cars were built. I would expect that any 965 that lived it's life partially outside and got driven a fail amount would require re-painting to look decent.
I have to disagree. I have three Porsche's of this age all with factory original paint. Although my C2 has been extensively tracked it has clear bra on everything but still is far from perfect. The others are all original.

These cars went through an extensive 26 stage paint process that Porsche could no longer afford to provide today. Although these older paints were somewhat fragile they do not easily chip like the newer cars. When they do the chips are far smaller. The new cars have a very controlled thin paint layer that leaves large chips from small rocks. Although our paints are more susceptible to pitting, acid rain surface scratches etc, you can't come close to the original paint these cars were supplied with. Orange peel is quite a part of the factory paint of the time. I have to worry myself when working on my Cayenne that I don't wear through the thin paint quickly. Working on my C2 I can remove very deep scratches and still have lots of paint left if I tried this on the Cayenne I would need a respray quickly enough.

Bumpers, rockers and other attached panels are usually not considered when it comes to respray. the focus is usually on the metal work. If the car is non metallic I would not be so fussy if done correctly but the metallic paints are near to impossible to match correctly and any paintwork is a tough call. You can match the color of Amazon Green or Cobalt blue but getting a two stage paint to color shift is next to impossible with today's paints and every car is different. Unless you use a three stage paint process the shifting is almost all but eliminated and IMO that is what makes these colors so intriguing. If I park my 1993 Amazon Green C2 next to my 1993 Amazon green GTS they are actually slightly different in color and both have factory original paint. If you line any of these cars side by side they will vary even if the same color it all depends on who was mixing the paint that day.

Considering a quality complete respray will run you a minimum of $10k to remove and reinstall everything and matching these colors is tough. Although If I couldn't find factory original paint I would prefer a quality complete respray over a partial respray of some panels.
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Originally Posted by speednme
IMO a repaint if done correctly should not really hurt the value of a car too much(if any). Questions to ask if buying a repainted car is "why was the car repainted", "any phots of the before paint","contact info of the paint shop", "reciepts"etc..etc.

Most of our cars if driven, will most likely suffer at the minimum road rash/chips. Some opt for a partial repaint others do a full body to fix the imperfections.

Let's face it, most classic high price collectibles (just look at what a 73 RS is going for) have had a repaint at one point or another. It's the quality of the repaint that should be the deciding factor.
Am I missing something? When did you get the turbo? Looks nice best luck
Old 01-09-2013 | 02:43 PM
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Given that the vast majority of these cars have had paint work who cares? If someone wants to pay a big premium for a factory originial paint car then good for them but you shouldn't be worried about it in the least. Most factory paint looks like **** on anything above 50k miles that was daily driven. A good respray is a a good thing on a higher mileage car in my book.


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