Turbo, 930, TT Terminology?
11-28-2002, 08:13 PM
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Turbo, 930, TT Terminology?
Someone, please tell what is the difference between a 930 Turbo and a Turbo and is a Turbo autmatically a Twin Turbo or is that just for certain years? I'm looking to buy a Turbo between 1987 and 1997.
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11-28-2002, 10:03 PM
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Shiloh,
I am going to attemp to help here. Note I said attempt. The actual name is still a good debate.
In general, the term "911 Turbo" is used by marketing people to address the current Porsche Turbo of that particular year.
From '76 - '79 The 911 Porsche is general known as the 930, the internal designated project number from Porsche. All parts numbers start with 930.
The Turbo was not available in the US from '80 to '84 and was re-introduced again in '85 to '89 with some improvement over the '79 model years. Keep in mind that there are Turbos in the US from '80 to '84. These are called Gray market cars. They were imported and modified to meet US smog requirements. Some people will stay from these cars, others will love them because of their better fuel system and a few other things.
In '89 the 911 Turbo was improved with a G50 5 speed tranny. Older Turbos were 4 speeds.
Now, up to this point you can safely call all 911 Turbos up to '89 as 930s. Why? Because they are basically the same cars with incremental improvements only, the body is basically the same.
Porsche introduced the Turbo again in '91, '92, and '94 using the almost all new chasis, the 964.Most people would agree to call this 911 Turbo the "C2 Turbo". The '94 model is called Turbo 3.6 because of its 3.6 liters engine. Before that they were 3.3 liters engine.
In '96 to '98 Porsche introduced the 993 Twin Turbo ( the first of the twin turbos). Most people would call these a 993TT for short. And of course, there is the 996TT, based on the 996 chasis.
If you talk to Porsche people you might want to use the internal project numbers to get to specific years and group of Turbos. If you talk to people who don't know Porsche, 911 Turbo is good enough.
Hope this helps a little,
Sonny
I am going to attemp to help here. Note I said attempt. The actual name is still a good debate.
In general, the term "911 Turbo" is used by marketing people to address the current Porsche Turbo of that particular year.
From '76 - '79 The 911 Porsche is general known as the 930, the internal designated project number from Porsche. All parts numbers start with 930.
The Turbo was not available in the US from '80 to '84 and was re-introduced again in '85 to '89 with some improvement over the '79 model years. Keep in mind that there are Turbos in the US from '80 to '84. These are called Gray market cars. They were imported and modified to meet US smog requirements. Some people will stay from these cars, others will love them because of their better fuel system and a few other things.
In '89 the 911 Turbo was improved with a G50 5 speed tranny. Older Turbos were 4 speeds.
Now, up to this point you can safely call all 911 Turbos up to '89 as 930s. Why? Because they are basically the same cars with incremental improvements only, the body is basically the same.
Porsche introduced the Turbo again in '91, '92, and '94 using the almost all new chasis, the 964.Most people would agree to call this 911 Turbo the "C2 Turbo". The '94 model is called Turbo 3.6 because of its 3.6 liters engine. Before that they were 3.3 liters engine.
In '96 to '98 Porsche introduced the 993 Twin Turbo ( the first of the twin turbos). Most people would call these a 993TT for short. And of course, there is the 996TT, based on the 996 chasis.
If you talk to Porsche people you might want to use the internal project numbers to get to specific years and group of Turbos. If you talk to people who don't know Porsche, 911 Turbo is good enough.
Hope this helps a little,
Sonny
11-29-2002, 02:29 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Shiloh:
<strong>Thanks for the feedback, It's really helpful; I was feeing pretty stupid there fore awhile!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey Sonny,
After reading all that, now I AM confused
Just Kidding!! <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
<strong>Thanks for the feedback, It's really helpful; I was feeing pretty stupid there fore awhile!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey Sonny,
After reading all that, now I AM confused
Just Kidding!! <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
11-29-2002, 10:20 AM
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Just to confirm Sonnys post the 1991 year which is basically the (964 shape)911 with wide body was the first real major change to the 911 Turbo car.
911 was a marketing term put to the air cooled rear engine cars. Porsche originally wanted to call the car the 901 series etc but Peogeot had already registered the all three digit numbers with a 0 in the middle.
Hence they launched the 911 as the number series.
(912 launched later as the cheaper car les powerful car.)
All the turbos from 1979 were marketed as the 911 Turbo (Proper series was the 930)
The change in shape was 1991 to what is known as the 964 shape as Sonny mentions.
I think in the US C2 Turbo or 964 Turbo are often used.
In the UK and europe these are also identified as the Turbo 2 and the 965 (965 is the technicaly correct numbering in the same way 930 was for the previous generation of cars)
The 965 covers both the 3.3 launched in 1991 and the lated 3.6 launched between 93-94 in the same body shape.
The 993 body shape launched later on which has the sloped headlights ( less attractive IMO ) was lauched as a 4 whell drive twin turbo.
(The proper technical number shall be posted later when i look it up)
Sometimes refered to as a Turbo 4 in europe.
or 993 Turbo in the States.
The 993 shape Turbo was the last of the air cooled cars before the 996 shape was launched (The current style of 911)
Cheers
Hopefully thats will help keep everyone less confused.
911 was a marketing term put to the air cooled rear engine cars. Porsche originally wanted to call the car the 901 series etc but Peogeot had already registered the all three digit numbers with a 0 in the middle.
Hence they launched the 911 as the number series.
(912 launched later as the cheaper car les powerful car.)
All the turbos from 1979 were marketed as the 911 Turbo (Proper series was the 930)
The change in shape was 1991 to what is known as the 964 shape as Sonny mentions.
I think in the US C2 Turbo or 964 Turbo are often used.
In the UK and europe these are also identified as the Turbo 2 and the 965 (965 is the technicaly correct numbering in the same way 930 was for the previous generation of cars)
The 965 covers both the 3.3 launched in 1991 and the lated 3.6 launched between 93-94 in the same body shape.
The 993 body shape launched later on which has the sloped headlights ( less attractive IMO ) was lauched as a 4 whell drive twin turbo.
(The proper technical number shall be posted later when i look it up)
Sometimes refered to as a Turbo 4 in europe.
or 993 Turbo in the States.
The 993 shape Turbo was the last of the air cooled cars before the 996 shape was launched (The current style of 911)
Cheers
Hopefully thats will help keep everyone less confused.
11-29-2002, 10:55 AM
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Without being pedantic, I believe I have heard that the 965 actually only reached the prototype stage and was never produced, but was a Turbo. Therefore it may not be correct to call the 964 Turbo a 965, in the same way that we do with the 951. Or perhaps that is not strictly correct either? But everybody knows what you mean...
11-29-2002, 04:58 PM
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Just to help I have done a picture based history of the models etc under the Turbo banner as a new posting. " The Legend 911 Turbo Part 1"
Takes a long time to load due to numbers of pictures but do enjoy.
Sorry 3.6 owners the picture did not come out so I will add at the bottom.
Cheers
PC
Takes a long time to load due to numbers of pictures but do enjoy.
Sorry 3.6 owners the picture did not come out so I will add at the bottom.
Cheers
PC
