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01-15-2003, 11:37 AM
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Amongst some of my friend the round up of cars is as follows:-
Sub er Who impression WRX etc.
Mitsubutski EVO 6 7 or 8 (Halfords parts car)
BMUU M3 Convert( No Roof)
BMUU M Coupe - Z3 with a roof.
Masarattle a lot some model.
Porsche 996 Convert ( No Roof)
Every one of the owners still thinks my car is the most stylish. At the End of the day Porsche turbo is still a Boys dream come true.
The other thing is most of them have the cars but would not use them on a track for fear of them falling apart.
Sub er Who impression WRX etc.
Mitsubutski EVO 6 7 or 8 (Halfords parts car)
BMUU M3 Convert( No Roof)
BMUU M Coupe - Z3 with a roof.
Masarattle a lot some model.
Porsche 996 Convert ( No Roof)
Every one of the owners still thinks my car is the most stylish. At the End of the day Porsche turbo is still a Boys dream come true.
The other thing is most of them have the cars but would not use them on a track for fear of them falling apart.
01-15-2003, 08:45 PM
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We are in a soft market for all cars. I would expect it to get stronger with the spring, after tax season. 993TT's & 996TT's seem to already seem to be picking up compaired to Dec. numbers.
Try to find a C2Turbo in your area. I searched Cars.com and only saw 2 advertized nationaly.
They are realy very rare and a very wonderful car.
Rember, the 91 C2 Turbo was a $100k car when it came out!
For the most part I do not see the hot import as competion for the Porsche Turbo. Don't mean to be rude but I see the hot imports as a disposable car that can go fast for a while but can not take the abuse for long without undue ware. Most in 10 years they will be driven by the high school crowd, not coveted like a Porsche Turbo.
While there might be a small amount of cross over the Porsche is bought by a different type of buyer. The guy that buys a hot import is likely in his 20's and probably makes less that $40k a year.
The Porsche turbo buyer is usally in their mid 30's to 50's and probably makes around $100k or more a year.
I mean could you see somone buying a Hot Suburu or even a 350 ZX and saving it for just weekend driving plesure. No, they have to barrow to buy it and must drive it to work or school.
Name a hot import other than the likes of Porsche that has any appeal after 10 years of age.
Porsche is kind of like a 10 year old Mercedes. It still has class!
Most of the hot imports are like a 10 year old Caddy. The owner might just as possably be on food stamps.
Don't get my wrong, I am a "gear-head" and would love to drive/own some of the new imports. the 350Z is hot. My only problem with this is it would likely be for less than a year because then I would concider it out of style because every one that has still in there first job after collage has one. Besides, I would be embarased to be seen in most of them.
Keith
72 911S, light weight
91 C2Turbo, full susp, brakes & motor.
00 ML 320 work & ski car.
Try to find a C2Turbo in your area. I searched Cars.com and only saw 2 advertized nationaly.
They are realy very rare and a very wonderful car.
Rember, the 91 C2 Turbo was a $100k car when it came out!
For the most part I do not see the hot import as competion for the Porsche Turbo. Don't mean to be rude but I see the hot imports as a disposable car that can go fast for a while but can not take the abuse for long without undue ware. Most in 10 years they will be driven by the high school crowd, not coveted like a Porsche Turbo.
While there might be a small amount of cross over the Porsche is bought by a different type of buyer. The guy that buys a hot import is likely in his 20's and probably makes less that $40k a year.
The Porsche turbo buyer is usally in their mid 30's to 50's and probably makes around $100k or more a year.
I mean could you see somone buying a Hot Suburu or even a 350 ZX and saving it for just weekend driving plesure. No, they have to barrow to buy it and must drive it to work or school.
Name a hot import other than the likes of Porsche that has any appeal after 10 years of age.
Porsche is kind of like a 10 year old Mercedes. It still has class!
Most of the hot imports are like a 10 year old Caddy. The owner might just as possably be on food stamps.
Don't get my wrong, I am a "gear-head" and would love to drive/own some of the new imports. the 350Z is hot. My only problem with this is it would likely be for less than a year because then I would concider it out of style because every one that has still in there first job after collage has one. Besides, I would be embarased to be seen in most of them.
Keith
72 911S, light weight
91 C2Turbo, full susp, brakes & motor.
00 ML 320 work & ski car.
01-19-2003, 01:39 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John McM:
<strong>Adrial,
The figures I cited for the STI, M3 and Carerra came from a road test carried out by the Australian Wheels Magazine [February 2002 edition]. I have since thrown out the magazine, so unfortunately I can't tell you how they launched the cars i.e. whether it was without regard to clutch life, or more like what a long-term owner without deep pockets would do.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I see your point. The WRX gets its blazing 0-60 times from extremely abusive launches, most magazines in the US get 0-60 times by abusing the crap out of the car...but maybe its different overseas.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John McM:
<strong>BTW: I don't get your point regarding where you stand. Do you dislike the 951, but bought it because you couldn't afford a WRX? In my part of the world the prices for the two cars aren't that dissimilar so I can't understand your rationale.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I'm driving a 951, hence I prefer the 951. (I also prefer a used Porsche to a new cheaply made pocket rocket any day....)
There's a big difference between a sportS car and a sportY car!!
(My 951 was $15k but a new WRX (227hp) would be around $25k I think)
<strong>Adrial,
The figures I cited for the STI, M3 and Carerra came from a road test carried out by the Australian Wheels Magazine [February 2002 edition]. I have since thrown out the magazine, so unfortunately I can't tell you how they launched the cars i.e. whether it was without regard to clutch life, or more like what a long-term owner without deep pockets would do.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I see your point. The WRX gets its blazing 0-60 times from extremely abusive launches, most magazines in the US get 0-60 times by abusing the crap out of the car...but maybe its different overseas.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John McM:
<strong>BTW: I don't get your point regarding where you stand. Do you dislike the 951, but bought it because you couldn't afford a WRX? In my part of the world the prices for the two cars aren't that dissimilar so I can't understand your rationale.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I'm driving a 951, hence I prefer the 951.
(I also prefer a used Porsche to a new cheaply made pocket rocket any day....)There's a big difference between a sportS car and a sportY car!!
(My 951 was $15k but a new WRX (227hp) would be around $25k I think)
01-27-2003, 05:21 AM
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You are very lucky to own the 964 Turbo. It's really hard to find nowaday in Vancouver.
If you ever want to let your car go for US40K, please let me know. I will be very interested in looking at it.
You are very lucky to own the 964 Turbo. It's really hard to find nowaday in Vancouver.
If you ever want to let your car go for US40K, please let me know. I will be very interested in looking at it.
01-27-2003, 05:51 AM
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Just dropped in from the 993 board for this.
I'll stick with the Porsche thanks. Would be interesting to see how quick the pocket rockets are well into 3 figure territory. Maybe a little outta there league perhaps....
i also agree with comments made earlier, regarding quality and resale value. Whats a 95 WRX worth now, maybe John can help here, in NZD $10-15K max.
i also wonder about a 300bhp WRX. I would be suspicious of any subaru factory road car that would handle 300hp with out breaking something pretty quickly. Prodrive built from ground up, sure. But would be out of most enthusists price range, and wouldn't be a road car either.
John McM: Need to chew the fat regarding vehicle importation to NZ some time. Maybe returning to NZ after a long absence, with 993RS in my suitcase.
regards
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I'll stick with the Porsche thanks. Would be interesting to see how quick the pocket rockets are well into 3 figure territory. Maybe a little outta there league perhaps....
i also agree with comments made earlier, regarding quality and resale value. Whats a 95 WRX worth now, maybe John can help here, in NZD $10-15K max.
i also wonder about a 300bhp WRX. I would be suspicious of any subaru factory road car that would handle 300hp with out breaking something pretty quickly. Prodrive built from ground up, sure. But would be out of most enthusists price range, and wouldn't be a road car either.
John McM: Need to chew the fat regarding vehicle importation to NZ some time. Maybe returning to NZ after a long absence, with 993RS in my suitcase.
regards
Phil... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
01-27-2003, 06:53 AM
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Hi Phil,
I'm a kiwi in bangkok (just about to leave).
Getting your car into NZ is pretty easy. If it is newer than 1986, which it is, then it complies with the new frontal impact standards (see LTSA site).
Duty may/will be payable if you have owned it less than 4 years, you can check that on the Customs site.
You will have to take it through a certification process when it gets to NZ, but that too is pretty easy, as every car in NZ is basically imported!
cheers
Neil
I'm a kiwi in bangkok (just about to leave).
Getting your car into NZ is pretty easy. If it is newer than 1986, which it is, then it complies with the new frontal impact standards (see LTSA site).
Duty may/will be payable if you have owned it less than 4 years, you can check that on the Customs site.
You will have to take it through a certification process when it gets to NZ, but that too is pretty easy, as every car in NZ is basically imported!
cheers
Neil
01-27-2003, 02:35 PM
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Hi to the fellow kiwis
Phil, as Neil wrote, car importation into NZ is very easy, and cheap; the only duty is 12.5% GST. Check out the following website for the official rules.
<a href="http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/travelers/import.html" target="_blank">http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/travelers/import.html</a>
Normally I'd say leave your car in its country because there are cheaper options here, but your 993RS is pretty rare, and it would only be number four in the country. My friend just sold his RS to a collector and seemed pretty happy with whatever price he received.
Neil, good to see you haven't disappeared off the face of the earth. You're leaving your return a little late; the Auckland Porsche Club held its fun run on Saturday. A brilliant sunny day drive out to Matakana with 40 other Porsches. I especially enjoyed it because I got to see another Turbo 3.6 on the road [the yellow one in the photo below.
<img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/run.jpg" alt=" - " />
Phil, as Neil wrote, car importation into NZ is very easy, and cheap; the only duty is 12.5% GST. Check out the following website for the official rules.
<a href="http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/travelers/import.html" target="_blank">http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/travelers/import.html</a>
Normally I'd say leave your car in its country because there are cheaper options here, but your 993RS is pretty rare, and it would only be number four in the country. My friend just sold his RS to a collector and seemed pretty happy with whatever price he received.
Neil, good to see you haven't disappeared off the face of the earth. You're leaving your return a little late; the Auckland Porsche Club held its fun run on Saturday. A brilliant sunny day drive out to Matakana with 40 other Porsches. I especially enjoyed it because I got to see another Turbo 3.6 on the road [the yellow one in the photo below.
<img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/run.jpg" alt=" - " />
01-27-2003, 06:52 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Initial_E:
<strong>fc-racer
You are very lucky to own the 964 Turbo. It's really hard to find nowaday in Vancouver.
If you ever want to let your car go for US40K, please let me know. I will be very interested in looking at it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hi Initial_E,
I know that I'm very lucky to have a 964 Turbo. The purpose of my original email was to discuss, objectively, what the effects will be on our cars with everything else catching up in terms of power, handling, etc.
Given your comment, I might be contacting you this summer as I have my eye on two cars that are coming up for sale, a low mileage midnight blue 993 Turbo and a well used RUF Turbo R. Both should be on sale this summer so I might be selling my 964T at that time. Whoever buys my car will be in for a treat, RUF suspension, 18" Porsche Technology wheels, lightweight flywheel and factory sport clutch. I've spent about $15k making it absolutely perfect. As the new owner of my last car said to me, "you never have to sell a car again, when you're done with your cars, I'll buy them from you" I think Keith might even be lurking from the 951 board.
fc-racer
<strong>fc-racer
You are very lucky to own the 964 Turbo. It's really hard to find nowaday in Vancouver.
If you ever want to let your car go for US40K, please let me know. I will be very interested in looking at it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hi Initial_E,
I know that I'm very lucky to have a 964 Turbo. The purpose of my original email was to discuss, objectively, what the effects will be on our cars with everything else catching up in terms of power, handling, etc.
Given your comment, I might be contacting you this summer as I have my eye on two cars that are coming up for sale, a low mileage midnight blue 993 Turbo and a well used RUF Turbo R. Both should be on sale this summer so I might be selling my 964T at that time. Whoever buys my car will be in for a treat, RUF suspension, 18" Porsche Technology wheels, lightweight flywheel and factory sport clutch. I've spent about $15k making it absolutely perfect. As the new owner of my last car said to me, "you never have to sell a car again, when you're done with your cars, I'll buy them from you"
I think Keith might even be lurking from the 951 board.fc-racer
01-27-2003, 07:32 PM
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I’ve been following this thread with interest. My first knee jerk thought was from a bang for the buck perspective, the 965 falls short of some of the newer performance cars being made today. But if we factor in the resale value and driver experience, the pendulum certainly swings back to the Porsche side. There’s not much that can compare to the excitement of taking a corner under full boost and wondering if you’re going to make it, or swap ends. Interesting debate!
I always struggle with the comments about how well “engineered” our cars are or the level of Porsche “quality”. As a design engineer (large truck OEM) I look at a Porsche somewhat jaded. The configurations and quality standards are quite poor relative to (some of) the mass produced cars. We certianly wouldn't be benchmarking a Porsche. For example, a 70’s era fuel injection system on a 90’s era vehicle or the poor interior fit. And this was on a $100K car! I’ve got the same problems with my 91 that I had with my 76.
I always struggle with the comments about how well “engineered” our cars are or the level of Porsche “quality”. As a design engineer (large truck OEM) I look at a Porsche somewhat jaded. The configurations and quality standards are quite poor relative to (some of) the mass produced cars. We certianly wouldn't be benchmarking a Porsche. For example, a 70’s era fuel injection system on a 90’s era vehicle or the poor interior fit. And this was on a $100K car! I’ve got the same problems with my 91 that I had with my 76.
01-28-2003, 01:04 AM
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Hi John,
I thought you were living in Wellington for some reason, but note your location says Auckland!
So we will have to catch up sometime (as long as you promise not to laugh at my "little old C4"!
I get back in the country mid February, big change of plans due to the soon to arrive baby and a desire to move away from "less settled" areas of the world.
Cheers
Neil
ps your car is looking good!
I thought you were living in Wellington for some reason, but note your location says Auckland!
So we will have to catch up sometime (as long as you promise not to laugh at my "little old C4"!
I get back in the country mid February, big change of plans due to the soon to arrive baby and a desire to move away from "less settled" areas of the world.
Cheers
Neil
ps your car is looking good!
01-28-2003, 04:53 AM
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Neil,
I've never seen a Porsche I didn't like. If I'd come back to NZ earlier I'd be driving a white '89 C4 myself right now.
Send me an e-mail when you're back in the land of the long white cloud. You can bring your C4 round and I'll show you how to fit a baby seat in the back!
Cheers
John
I've never seen a Porsche I didn't like. If I'd come back to NZ earlier I'd be driving a white '89 C4 myself right now.
Send me an e-mail when you're back in the land of the long white cloud. You can bring your C4 round and I'll show you how to fit a baby seat in the back!
Cheers
John
01-28-2003, 09:40 PM
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I suppose it really depends on the market you are in, for myself I am sorely tempted by the 350Z, it is within my budget and Porsche offers nothing in this price range.
If I wanted a brand new car with a warranty and some decent performance this would be it.
If I wanted a brand new car with a warranty and some decent performance this would be it.