Mike:

The carbon fiber one is pictured above. Below are pictures of the two TechArt versions (also sold by Porsche as Tequipment) and used on the Type 964 Turbo Slantnose. As to the genuine Type 964 3.8 RSR piece, I have asked someone in Germany to get me a picture (preferably on a genuine Type 964 Lightweight Turbo S) and Iam hoping for it next week. If not, I will have one sent to me to be photographed.

Bob

 

Re the above pictures, please note the small air inlet orifice of the TechArt units compared to that of the carbon fiber piece -- the latter provides significantly more air flow for cooling.

 

The price in the U.S. of the Type 964 3.8 RSR air ducts is $320 for a pair.

 

Attached are six pictures of the latest version of the real Type 964 3.8 RSR bumper mounted air ducts. As noted above, and as you will see, they mount to one side by an exposed fastener (for which the hole can be seen) and to the other side via a tab for which the bumper cover must be cut. And, again as noted, to fit and function, the bumper cover must be modified (i.e., cut). Additionslly, as I mentioned, the air intake surface is larger than on the TechArt units but smaller than on the carbon fiber pieces. Fnally, if you can magify the pictures, you will note the surfact is rough and will require work to achieve a first class paint finish. Lastly, if placed into Type 964, you would notice gaps bigger and more uneven than those found on the TechArt or carbon fiber versions. One word of apology, I noted that the dust screen was held to these ducts by glue -- in fact, on the later versions, screws were used.

 

Thanks for the photos Robert. The units in the photo however must be old. The brand new genuine Porsche 3.8 RSR ducts I have for sale are in black ABS plastic and they are as smooth as a baby's ***. Very little prep to paint. I have one set left. And these are not anywhere as easy to get as Robert makes it seem. If anyone is interested contact me by email msmith@movingbytes.com and I will send you photos. These are the real deal and there are no gaps when mounted!

Mark

 

With kind respect, Mark, I would like to see a picture of the units you describe as I suspect that, whatever they are, they are not from the Type 964 3.8 RSR. As to the units puctured above, I asked Porsche Motorsports to pull them off the shelf and photograph them just last week, i.e., they are not old. Finally, should anyone want sets of genuine parts, they are extremely easy to get and Porsche would be happy to supply same -- with Porsche invoice and correct parts labels.

 

Finally, should any of you like the genuine Type 964 3.8 RSR duct, please feel free to contact me and I shall be happy to put you in direct contact with the appropriate person at Porsche Motorsports -- and, by the way, I make no money in doing this. I am, however, somewhat tired of being impugned, i.e., "you have very obviously never seen a factory 3.8 RSR air duct" and now, "The units in the photo however must be old". Finally, let me also note, and again I receive nothing for this, that, for a street car, the TechArt (or Tequipment) parts are a better choice in that their fit and finish are superior to a real race part.

 

Mark:

Please post a picture of your black ducts. I am curious as to identify the origin. By the way, above you state "You can't get them from anywhere but the factory werks1 department". If the parts are true RSR parts, they would come not from Department VRS in Zuffenhausen (of which the old Werk I was a part), but from the Racing Department in Weissach or perhaps from PMNA in CA.

 

Mark:

Still waiting for you to post the pictures of the alleged "real deal" Type 964 3.8 RSR air ducts!

 

Robert,

Get as life. What do you stay up nights worrying about this? From the look of the times associated with your posts it appears you do. I think you're full of crap. Ya, you worked for Werks I. Sure pal I believe that! And I flew the space shuttle.

Plenty of people, including some of those reading these posts, have seen the photos of the ducts I am selling. They are brand new genuine Porsche black ABS smooth as a baby's *** plastic and they look exactly like the photos you posted ... and yes they came from the VRS department ... and no they are not what you can buy from Porsche Motorsport - if the crap you posted photos of was what PM calls "new" - because those weren't and what I have is. You cannot get these through PCNA nor Porsche Motorsports!

I buy a lot of stuff through VRS because of the both rare and custom order cars they have built that I own. If I want something I go to VRS or TechArt and I spend $$. When you spend $$ you get what you want. So if you want to spend $$ you'll get the photos.

I have an add up on Rennlist classifieds for the ducts. I haven't posted photos here nor there because the quality of the images is too high for Rennlist to upload. Why don't you respond to the ad and I'll send you the photos just like everyone else who is legitimately interested in purchasing a pair of the real deal 3.8 RSR ducts. Then you can downsize them and post them here or put them anywhere else you'd like.

Or maybe you could step up and buy them and hang them on the wall as momento's of the time you opened your mouth on Rennlist and got a pair of black ABS smooth as a baby's *** plastic Porsche 3.8 RSR ducts shoved in it!

Mark S.

 

Mark:

You certainly are rude and profane -- I am beginning to think as a means to hide behind inflamatory rhetoric the fact that whatever you have are not pieces from the Type 964 3.8 RSR as you have represented them to be.

Second, no where have I stated that I worked for Department VRS -- this is your fabrication, perhaps just as the origin of what you are selling!

Third, as you well know, I have e-mailed you asking for the photos and you could have sent them to me via e-mail -- and you have not. To be sure, if the parts are, as you have repeatedly represented, genuine Type 964 3.8 RSR (as opposed to parts from TechArt, Tequipment, Porsche street cars, MA Shaw, Getty, Performance Products, GT Racing, etc.), you should have no problem sending them to me this evening -- and, yes, I can and will reduce the file size and post them -- the light of day is good for the truth

Finally, sir, I am not your "pal". I am, however, quite interested in integrity.

 

For the record, I have now e-mailed Mark in response to his classified ad in Rennlist and requested the photos. Of course, this is the second time I have e-mailed a request; this time, however, it is officially in response to his advertisement.

 

As promised, attached are pictures of the Porsche Factory Type 964 Lightweight Turbo S that appeared in last week's Baden Wurttemberg celebration in Germany.

Notice that the air ducts have an exposed fastener on one side and that on that side the edge of the piece is straight, i.e., exactly as the Porsche Motorsport ones pictured above. In contrast, the TechArt and Tequipment units do not have an exposed fastener and the edge is not straight. Additionally, if you look closely at or enlarge pictures 2 and 3, you will see the dirt grill in the ducts -- again, something not found with TechArt, Tequipment, etc.

Finally, should you wish pictures of the other Type 964's appearing in last week's event, please let me know.

 

Mark has sent me pictures of the air ducts that he is selling and I they are, in my opinion, the ones used on the Type 964 3.8 RSR. They do, however, have a coat of what appears to be primer on them and this should help in their preparation for paint as the surface is not as good as, e.g., the TechArt parts. On the other hand, as noted above, to install them will require drilling for the fastener, for the tab and for the rear of the air inlet. Additionally, the dirt grill that I presume Mark has should be installed. Finally, these parts are available through Porsche Motorsports in the U.S. and Europe for approximately $300 in Europe, $320 in the U.S.

 

Peace!