Turbo-S Vents
10-19-2007, 03:46 PM
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I had a long conversation with Robert Linton and Les Quam (former S owner)
Both had spoken to the werks people that worked on these cars. From what I recall they say they were the worlds most expensive holes. They were installed to emulate the 959 and had no given purpose other than to make the car unique. It is possible in the scheme of things it might draw heat away from the motor but if so it wasn't intended too. More like just needed to vent the air to prevent additional drag. Hell they look cool and make the car unique looking. Easy visual cue to tell an S from a non S car.
If I were you guys trust Mark's word he knows these cars better than anyone.
Both had spoken to the werks people that worked on these cars. From what I recall they say they were the worlds most expensive holes. They were installed to emulate the 959 and had no given purpose other than to make the car unique. It is possible in the scheme of things it might draw heat away from the motor but if so it wasn't intended too. More like just needed to vent the air to prevent additional drag. Hell they look cool and make the car unique looking. Easy visual cue to tell an S from a non S car.
If I were you guys trust Mark's word he knows these cars better than anyone.
10-19-2007, 04:58 PM
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Burning Brakes
The 964 turbo S was really not worth the sum of its parts if we are honest. Hell it didnt even have the 3.6 engine!. It used a tuned 3.3 lump, streched to 380 bhp, 3.6 speedlines with the centres polished, loads of rs parts inside, and yet another design of rear wing. It certainly wasnt worth the premium over the 3.6 turbo. I remember reading that the 3.6 engine 'wasnt ready' for this car, so i assume it was released before the 3.6 turbo? That would make it the first speedline wearing 964.
10-19-2007, 05:56 PM
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The 964 turbo S was really not worth the sum of its parts if we are honest. Hell it didnt even have the 3.6 engine!. It used a tuned 3.3 lump, streched to 380 bhp, 3.6 speedlines with the centres polished, loads of rs parts inside, and yet another design of rear wing. It certainly wasnt worth the premium over the 3.6 turbo. I remember reading that the 3.6 engine 'wasnt ready' for this car, so i assume it was released before the 3.6 turbo? That would make it the first speedline wearing 964.
sorry to disagree. As we all know with Porsche thoughout history, lightweight meant it cost you more money. Something that Porsche learnt after the 2.7RS. I own a 3.6 turbo so I have no axe to grind but in truth if you want to start tuning your turbo for big hp the 3.3 is the engine to do it on. The 3.6 is just not up to the job. Surely the premium paid was to do with rarity of numbers. A mate of mine has a lhd 3.6 turbo S, one of 12 cars that Porsche built and not flat fronted along with the certificate to prove it. The car was £136,000 new against our £90,000. It has litlle front splitters on the front bumper and the 385bhp engine. Oh' the original owner paid £5,000 extra to Porsche as he wanted it painted Ferrari Gelb (yellow). It has no lightweight interior, no holes in the rear wings. The bloody car is the same as ours. That chap must have been mad in my opinion.
10-20-2007, 12:30 AM
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Burning Brakes
Wow! Where do I start responding to these posts ... should I? Ok I'll indulge myself ...
... the 3.6 block certainly cannot be made to be one of the most successful Le Mans and ALMS winning engines Porsche ever built
... and that block is not essentially the same block still used on the 997TT
... and we all know that the 1991/92 3.3 Turbo engine was not just a rehashed 930/69 engine from 1989
... and we all know that the very last limited edition fully hand built Porsche the Exclusive department ever built is chopped liver
... and holes in the rear wing add value
... and you have not - literally - lifted a page from my website
... and repeat after me "research before you post", "research before you post" (and I don't mean reading a Paul Frere book or Bruce Anderson's market values in Excellence - or most anything else in Excellence for that matter) ...
as for the rest of it ...
- never heard of one of 12 non-flatnose Turbo S lhd drive cars built. I would like to see the paperwork that proves it ... and believe me I'd love to stand corrected as that is what my website is all about ... but I doubt if I will be because official Porsche paperwork as you suggest it does not exist - and no other paperwork matters.
- can't drive it? My car has 42,xxx miles on it. I could easily sell it for $125K+ and the price is going up as these cars are rapidly disappearing off the market. $125K is around 70% of its MSRP ... could you sell your cars and get 70% of their original MSRP? FYI, I paid $70k for my car in 2000 ... hmm I wonder if I made any money on this car?
- the 17 Package cars are now selling for their MSRP or higher. Lower mileage flatnose cars are selling for 85-90% of their MSRP. That is not the case for any standard 3.6 Turbo or any late model Porsche production turbo since ..
... the 3.6 block certainly cannot be made to be one of the most successful Le Mans and ALMS winning engines Porsche ever built
... and that block is not essentially the same block still used on the 997TT
... and we all know that the 1991/92 3.3 Turbo engine was not just a rehashed 930/69 engine from 1989
... and we all know that the very last limited edition fully hand built Porsche the Exclusive department ever built is chopped liver
... and holes in the rear wing add value
... and you have not - literally - lifted a page from my website
... and repeat after me "research before you post", "research before you post" (and I don't mean reading a Paul Frere book or Bruce Anderson's market values in Excellence - or most anything else in Excellence for that matter) ...
as for the rest of it ...
- never heard of one of 12 non-flatnose Turbo S lhd drive cars built. I would like to see the paperwork that proves it ... and believe me I'd love to stand corrected as that is what my website is all about ... but I doubt if I will be because official Porsche paperwork as you suggest it does not exist - and no other paperwork matters.
- can't drive it? My car has 42,xxx miles on it. I could easily sell it for $125K+ and the price is going up as these cars are rapidly disappearing off the market. $125K is around 70% of its MSRP ... could you sell your cars and get 70% of their original MSRP? FYI, I paid $70k for my car in 2000 ... hmm I wonder if I made any money on this car?
- the 17 Package cars are now selling for their MSRP or higher. Lower mileage flatnose cars are selling for 85-90% of their MSRP. That is not the case for any standard 3.6 Turbo or any late model Porsche production turbo since ..
10-20-2007, 06:42 AM
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From the little I have read about the 3.3S it has a lot of different bits over a standard 3.3 or 3.6. The lightweight panels, and bits (special glass, interior, let alone the performance tweaks) would add alot of cost. And to create a good replica would also cost a fortune. It was a genuinely 'special' car.
10-21-2007, 03:56 PM
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Hmmm??? I think that you are a little confused. The 3.3 Turbo S is a different car than the 3.6 Turbo S. Not sure where you got the rest of your misinformation from ... but a few searches of this board would help. FYI, the last 3.6 Turbo imported into the US was a 3.6 Turbo S Flatnose.
10-21-2007, 04:49 PM
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The case from the 964 really is substantially the same at the current GT3 and turbo cars. Yes there are many subtle differences, but it is an evolution, not a revolution. A current GT3/turbo long block would look substantially the same as a 962 long block (water jackets, heads, cam towers).
