AMG USA

Does anyone know if there is a list of the VIN numbers for the 25 cars that were converted by Andial for the cancelled race series and then converted back?

pu911rsr

The Andial conversion VIN's ended in 549, 574, 578, 576, 577, 551, 555, 547, 569, 552, 550, 554, 553, 556, 561, 571, 560, 548, 570, 557, 558, 567, 568, 559, 572

AMG USA

Thank you! You have confirmed that we have one of the 25. Now I can list it for sale.

pu911rsr

which one do you have?

AMG USA

572. It has less than 2000 miles on it.

cobalt

I never considered this but these cars were shipped to Andial as stock and then converted like the 964 turbo S2's?

That would mean that these have most likely been double counted by most sources and would make it only 630 vs 655 stock 964 coupes both C2/C4's imported for 1992 MY to the US.

GLWS

cscrogham

Yes Anthony that's correct, 25 cars (547-572, 574 and 576-57)8 were converted from a pseudo version of a Euro RS or N-GT street car into series cars, then returned to stock form when the series failed. They were hastily scabbed together and sold through the dealer networks and most were returned to track cars as they were a great "template" (i.e. easy to re-install a cage when the cage mounting plates are still welded in there and easy to see where they were cut off!, holes for window net and kill switch plugged, no interior glue to fuss with etc). btw no converted car is original paint because they repainted all of the hoods to hide the pin holes.

392, 509 (the red pace car), 514, 573, 575 and 579-602 (less 582-584 and 594-599 out of sequence not Cup USA) were unconverted (2nd batch) and intended parts cars and in my opinion the best to own because they weren't monkeyed with and the trim etc is still as delivered from the factory. 45 cars total.

pu911rsr

Cole,

I think the best thing is to have one of each, so you have your bases covered.
Can't be too many of the port cars left in stock condition as many of those were converted for track use as well.

Phil

AMG USA

For those interested. I listed the car for sale today in the vehicle marketplace section.

AMG USA

We have been poring through Porsche documents and have confirmed that this car wore number 25 when it was prepared for the series.

tjb616

Was there a Porsche-built 964 Cup car or did Andial build what we commonly refer to as a "964 Cup"?

cscrogham

Andial only converted the 45 Carrera Cup USA series, Porsche made Carrera Cup cars on an ongoing regular basis during this time period as well as road going variants in Europe.

pu911rsr

Andial converted 25 to full race specifications, sealed and dyno'ed the motors on 4 more. The rest (16) were left alone. The cars were built by Porsche using same chassis and most of the parts of a 964 RS, they had standard C2 interiors and US mandated safety equipment- the intent was to create a car that looked like normal 964 C2 but could be easily converted to full race configuration which cost around $20k at Andial to have re-reconverted.
Phil

AMG USA

Here's a comparison from a 1993 article. It's a little faded.

pu911rsr

FWIW those are the specs for the street car not the track version you have listed for sale. The specs to compare are the US Vs Euro Cup.

Phil