I must be nuts!
11-05-2012, 01:43 AM
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Sounds like a great deal of a car! Now that I own one it's amazing how much car you get for the prices they're going for. If PPI passes and with the mileage it has I say do not hesitate. C4 vs C2 doesn't matter! Get the best 964 you can find and afford! Hope all goes well!
11-06-2012, 05:55 PM
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Oh Nuts, PPI and Leak Down results
about the car
89 c4
78K on the clock
grand prix white
loads of records "78's"
cars at $$$$ dealership
PPI at P car repair/resto shop w/good knowledge of air cooled
yes 1st 911....yup must be nuts!
final email haggle....$18150, I though I might have to split $150
not sure if leak down needed but dealership said they would refund $$$ if failed,
I'm curious to know the numbers.
dealership has done the following
new front brake pads
oil change
brake fluid change per my request
new shocks all around
new piston shocks front and rear deck
Test results as follows,
PPI: Road test performance and handling, read data stream, check lights and operation of electrical components. Remove lower pans, inspect structure, steering suspension and brakes. Perform cylinder leak test, reinstall lower pans, road test, retorque wheels
Items from road test and inspection:
Aftermarket stereo wiring under pass. floor mat, aftermarket steering wheel
Drives seat functional but screw drive is noisy, tachometer cloudy
Climate control fans change pitch / speed on position 1
Spot of washer solvent on ground (its overfilled)
Faults: Rear blower stage 1 and inside sensor motor unplausable /present
Gas cap seal rotted, rust in left lower corner of windshield, right corner soon
Engine bay insulation is hanging in bay
On the lift:
Tires are over 10 years old, noisy on road test
Drip of brake fluid at longitudinal and lateral lock cylinders
Oil seepage at: Lower vavle covers, chain covers
Other oil seepage: between cylinder and heads, cylinders and case
Rear brake sensor close to touching rotors - rotors are below spec
Cylinder leakage results. Cylinder over !5% done several times to verify
1) 8% 2) 18% 3) 20% 4) 24% 5) 15% 6) 17%
Oil level rises in oil tank when leaking cylinders over 20% - less rise if throttle body is opened
Body fit and finish; right front fender touched up along edge, other small nicks
To all,
I'm border line on this car, I'm open to suggestions. Concerned about the engine. Play nice when you chime in.
Mike
89 c4
78K on the clock
grand prix white
loads of records "78's"
cars at $$$$ dealership
PPI at P car repair/resto shop w/good knowledge of air cooled
yes 1st 911....yup must be nuts!
final email haggle....$18150, I though I might have to split $150
not sure if leak down needed but dealership said they would refund $$$ if failed,
I'm curious to know the numbers.
dealership has done the following
new front brake pads
oil change
brake fluid change per my request
new shocks all around
new piston shocks front and rear deck
Test results as follows,
PPI: Road test performance and handling, read data stream, check lights and operation of electrical components. Remove lower pans, inspect structure, steering suspension and brakes. Perform cylinder leak test, reinstall lower pans, road test, retorque wheels
Items from road test and inspection:
Aftermarket stereo wiring under pass. floor mat, aftermarket steering wheel
Drives seat functional but screw drive is noisy, tachometer cloudy
Climate control fans change pitch / speed on position 1
Spot of washer solvent on ground (its overfilled)
Faults: Rear blower stage 1 and inside sensor motor unplausable /present
Gas cap seal rotted, rust in left lower corner of windshield, right corner soon
Engine bay insulation is hanging in bay
On the lift:
Tires are over 10 years old, noisy on road test
Drip of brake fluid at longitudinal and lateral lock cylinders
Oil seepage at: Lower vavle covers, chain covers
Other oil seepage: between cylinder and heads, cylinders and case
Rear brake sensor close to touching rotors - rotors are below spec
Cylinder leakage results. Cylinder over !5% done several times to verify
1) 8% 2) 18% 3) 20% 4) 24% 5) 15% 6) 17%
Oil level rises in oil tank when leaking cylinders over 20% - less rise if throttle body is opened
Body fit and finish; right front fender touched up along edge, other small nicks
To all,
I'm border line on this car, I'm open to suggestions. Concerned about the engine. Play nice when you chime in.
Mike
11-06-2012, 06:15 PM
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One thing that jumps out is the tyres being ten years old.... That doesn't inspire huge confidence re: spend on other bits and pieces. Maybe I am reading into that more than is required but just sticks out as being odd.
I would suggest to rectify oil leaks etc it could get quite expensive
My view is be patient and spend a little more on one that has no leaks and better leak down numbers. Fresh set of tyres also
I would suggest to rectify oil leaks etc it could get quite expensive
My view is be patient and spend a little more on one that has no leaks and better leak down numbers. Fresh set of tyres also
11-06-2012, 06:26 PM
#34
Drifting
+1
I would move on... Even after you throw several thousand dollars at it to fix the leaks and fan issues, and replace the tires you still have poor leakdown numbers
1) 8% 2) 18% 3) 20% 4) 24% 5) 15% 6) 17%
2) rust in left lower corner of windshield, right corner soon
There are better fish out there for not much more money
I would move on... Even after you throw several thousand dollars at it to fix the leaks and fan issues, and replace the tires you still have poor leakdown numbers
1) 8% 2) 18% 3) 20% 4) 24% 5) 15% 6) 17%
2) rust in left lower corner of windshield, right corner soon
There are better fish out there for not much more money
Also they are quite inconsistent.
11-06-2012, 11:49 PM
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Burning Brakes
The right car is out there 
11-07-2012, 03:32 AM
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Agree with the general opinion this looks like one to walk away from. Congratulations on using a PPI and, I trust, following it's advice. There will certainly be a 964 out there for you, at your budget and without obvious big faults. Keep looking.
For interest, the PPI I had done on my car 5 years ago has proved to be 100% correct, even as I report with hindsight. They missed nothing and what they highlighted ( on occasions even speculated - verbally!) proved to be absolutely correct. So, my car had issues, I knew what they were and budgeted accordingly. Now spent approx 40% of the cars original purchase value in 5 years of maintenance and rectification of faults. I have chosen to spend more on improvements but that's my choice.
Best of luck.
For interest, the PPI I had done on my car 5 years ago has proved to be 100% correct, even as I report with hindsight. They missed nothing and what they highlighted ( on occasions even speculated - verbally!) proved to be absolutely correct. So, my car had issues, I knew what they were and budgeted accordingly. Now spent approx 40% of the cars original purchase value in 5 years of maintenance and rectification of faults. I have chosen to spend more on improvements but that's my choice.
Best of luck.
11-08-2012, 01:43 AM
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(I didn't work on many '89s when they were new/newish, as my customer base was older torsion bar chassis cars. But the few I did showed no particular signs of problems other than the odd head-to-cylinder weeping. Which could have developed on any of the early 3.6L engines.)
