Not sure why you think I am being sarcastic.... The guy seems to have a legitimate reason for not posting the documents on the internet, yet you continue to berate him for not posting them. Do you think Norbert is making this up? And if yes, why?

 

Why is an interesting question... I have my own opinion on that but its just an opinion formed after reading the different threads about that particular car in question.

 

corn:

 

first @ cobalt : i made a mistake : there are 219 , 3,6 Turbo with M718 !
the last one is Nr 288 !
Perhaps you start a new thread for this interesting theme and i will post the numbers you want to know there - please mail the Codes you are looking for ( TurboS - Flachbau ) - i have an easy way to browse and select them.

edit : 19 with X88 ( Turbo S ) and 39 with X85 ( Flachbau )


For all the Lovers of the " America Roadster " here is all data PORSCHE-Network shows for the 911650-Carrera 2 Turbo-Look Cabriolet ( for USA called " America Roadster" ) with the latest VIN all over the world :





Best from Germany

Norbert

 

You have to admit it sounds a bit like Deep Throat Watergate over a car. If he has to keep his source secret it is a shame because it would help so much to substantiate his info.

Norbert that is appreciated.

Although it can't be substantiated we can use it as a reference. I have already started a post https://rennlist.com/forums/964-turb...fo-needed.html Never got very far but I have spoken to the people who have bought and sold more of these cars than anyone and have records of every vin number they have seen. Add that to the vin numbers I have been keeping tabs on and we seem to confirm each others numbers. It would be nice to have your sources direct info but it sounds like it is not going to happen.

As far as 19 Turbo S package cars I always thought that number to be correct. although Mark from www.flacbau.com stated that there are only 17 and a few with the X99 appearance parts which might be misconstrued as package cars. these cars had the side vents without the X88 package.

 

You are always free to ask any question about your loved cars - i will try to give you the answers i´m able to give - if you believe or not is your choice, as always, there is nothing i can do to change that !

19 cars with X99 total - 2 cars without X88 - if that helps ...

.. and please don't talk about " we " - just say that you don't believe my words, it's easyer for me to accept this.
If you are in contact to Mark, please make a contact ( m491@turbo-look.com). Perhaps he is interested in some facts.

Best

Norbert

 

Norbert,

Well I guess that is what I get for trying to be honest and up front. I stated several times I believe you might be onto something but even a journalist needs some form of credible source to write a story. Other than your word and registry what have you given us to hang our hats on, as they say. I will no longer include us in the same sentence although that seems rather childish.

I am as interested in finding out the actual numbers of all models as you are. I own a C2 and 928GTS and have gone through this with many other models I have owned over the years including 914's. I am clearly stating the fact that when it comes to such rarities, as you claim these exist, that anyone in their right mind would need affirmation of the facts. Your site is nice and has been a tremendous effort, although your unwillingness to show objective evidence other than your word leaves us wanting more proof. I am sorry that your source doesn't want to be revealed but that doesn't make your numbers "the numbers"

If I could help prove you right I would. Although if these cars do exist they instantly become a rarity and increase their value and saleability.

You can contact Mark S through his website. He has always been very pleasant to deal with and knows his Turbo S's. He has a lot of factory documentation that objectively proves his information giving his numbers a degree of credibility. He also references his factory source and others who contributed to his documentation all of which are known and credible. He does not profess the info to be factory approved but removes as much doubt as possible by presenting the facts in a way that appear to be plausible without secrecy.

I hope the next time this subject is brought up there is more info proving you to have "the numbers".

Best Luck.

 

Well said Anthony, thanks

 

Sorry to intrude again ...

Unfortunately, the shown figures for the ROADSTER need of a small correction. I have overlooked a car for MJ 1993, there the area in my recordings already ended with PS460573. For the cars PS460574 to PS460599 no entries could be found, they do not seem to exist!
But WP0CB2968PS450600 exist – what is the reason that the VIN-Range for MY1993 in all Books ends there!

… and WP0CB2968PS450600 is also an AMERICA ROADSTER (964650 - C02) – so one more !




green numbers show all US cabs exept the speedsters ( 964630 + 964650 ) - think that VIN range should show that ...

Best Regards


Norbert

 

Totally off the subject, did you once list the COA on your own TLC (America Roadster to us)- and and it shows Titanium color paint? Perhaps I imagined it but we would love to see some pics on here if the car is Titanium as I know of a 3.6 Turbo and a 993 Turbo in the color but have lost track of the cars or pics. That was a stunning color, virtually unknown in the States.

 

mine is a ROW TLC - black / black




i think the color you are thinking off could be " schiefergrau metallic " ( sorry i dont know the translation ... very rare on my list ( about 4 or 5 )


Norbert

 

"schiefergrau" is actually known as "Slate Gray" here. It is also stunning and rare. Titanium Gray was an Audi color of the late '80's-early '90's that may or may not show as paint to sample further complicate matters. Cyclimen (sp) Red was also an Audi color that documents the same way on the handful that were built around '90. If anyone has pics of any Porsche model out there in this color Id love to see a photo.

 

then this pic is for you :




best

Norbert

 

Thank You very much

Finally something I bet most of us will agree upon in this thread is that is one stunning color AND a legit car. Too bad about the wheel choice but there is one needle in a haystack found.

Definately different then Amythist if thats what some of you are wondering.

 

Cyclamen Red-one of two 944S2 cabs in the US in that color. With the right wheels!